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Hey @Dean, we have some threads that were deleted when they shouldn't have been. Is there anyway to get those back at all?

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Deleted threads/Posts are visible for up to 30 days in the Moderator Control panel (accessible by both admins and mods for the relevant sections), after this time they are deleted permanently and can not be recovered.

I don't want to prevent people from being able to delete their own content, they have a right to do so. You can delete any post you make on Facebook, Twitter etc. and I see no reason why it should be any different here. If somebody needs something they posted removed for any reason they are free to delete it so it is instantly wiped from public view. Consider somebody who has a job interview coming up and finds they have some personal information available on here that they decide is best for the interviewer not to find, they should be able to remove it from public view without having to run it past an admin/mod first. As I said above, any deleted content will be recoverable by an admin/mod within 30 days of it's deletion, so if anything is accidentally deleted or an admin/mod has a logical reason to recover the content it can be restored (mods, please be respectful of peoples privacy above your own personal feelings towards them - don't abuse this system).

I understand that a lot of what makes the wheels go round on these boards are the beefs people have with each other, and without you giving me any more context for your question(s) I imagine I'm probably right in assuming that's got something to do with what's going on here. Above all else though I respect peoples right to their own privacy both online and offline, and I think we need to consider that when dealing with this stuff.

If you disagree or want to propose any changes to the way the system works in this regard, by all means let me know your thoughts and I'll hear you out. I'm not the only one making these calls so if there's something that needs to be discussed internally I'll make sure that happens. 

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6 minutes ago, Dean said:

Deleted threads/Posts are visible for up to 30 days in the Moderator Control panel (accessible by both admins and mods for the relevant sections), after this time they are deleted permanently and can not be recovered.

I don't want to prevent people from being able to delete their own content, they have a right to do so. You can delete any post you make on Facebook, Twitter etc. and I see no reason why it should be any different here. If somebody needs something they posted removed for any reason they are free to delete it so it is instantly wiped from public view. Consider somebody who has a job interview coming up and finds they have some personal information available on here that they decide is best for the interviewer not to find, they should be able to remove it from public view without having to run it past an admin/mod first. As I said above, any deleted content will be recoverable by an admin/mod within 30 days of it's deletion, so if anything is accidentally deleted or an admin/mod has a logical reason to recover the content it can be restored (mods, please be respectful of peoples privacy above your own personal feelings towards them - don't abuse this system).

I understand that a lot of what makes the wheels go round on these boards are the beefs people have with each other, and without you giving me any more context for your question(s) I imagine I'm probably right in assuming that's got something to do with what's going on here. Above all else though I respect peoples right to their own privacy both online and offline, and I think we need to consider that when dealing with this stuff.

If you disagree or want to propose any changes to the way the system works in this regard, by all means let me know your thoughts and I'll hear you out. I'm not the only one making these calls so if there's something that needs to be discussed internally I'll make sure that happens. 

I, personally, don't have a problem with people editing or deleting posts they make. What concerns me is the deletion of entire topics. Editing your posts is a better solution to privacy concerns than deleting entire topics. Deleting entire topics does away with everyone's post and not just one post of concern. That's the problem at hand. I don't think anyone is saying don't take care of your privacy concerns (although forethought is important too) but it can be done without the expense of doing away with others content as well.

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I hear you, and that's a fair comment.

From a technical standpoint this gets a bit tricky, the way threads work are that the thread itself is very much tied to the initial post - In fact the initial post basically is the thread so if you started a thread and want to remove the post you made to start the thread unfortunately the entire thread must go with it.

This, I suppose, is one of the reasons deleted content will go in to the Moderator control panel so in an event like this a mod or admin can review it if somebody raises a concern with a deleted thread. This would obviously need to involve a conversation with the person who created the thread and if its deemed that they simply need their post(s) removed from the thread we can recover the thread but manually remove the content from their posts. If you consider something like Facebook, if I were to make a post on Facebook and then a bunch of people made their own comments on that post I can still delete the original post and all comments will be removed with it. 

As I said though, this is only possible within 30 days of the thread being deleted so if it's gone past this time there's no way to recover it as it's been hard-deleted from the database.

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I agree with Speedo. Let people edit posts if they want to remove content they no longer want on the boards, but don't let them delete other people's posts.

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9 minutes ago, Patient #48273 said:

I agree with Speedo. Let people edit posts if they want to remove content they no longer want on the boards, but don't let them delete other people's posts.

 

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Dean is right that when you delete topics on Facebook and Twitter, everything goes with it, including replies. Makes it hard to justify us banning the deletion of topics. 

BUT, this has never really been a problem until Clarke. I feel like he should be dealt with on an individual basis. no need to change the overall policy here because of him. 

He is a serial editor (sometimes months after the fact) and is known to delete huge threads full of good material from other people. Let him delete and alter his posts like a psycho, whatever...but I don’t think he should be able to delete threads anymore. 

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12 hours ago, Ghent said:

Dean is right that when you delete topics on Facebook and Twitter, everything goes with it, including replies. Makes it hard to justify us banning the deletion of topics. 

BUT, this has never really been a problem until Clarke. I feel like he should be dealt with on an individual basis. no need to change the overall policy here because of him. 

He is a serial editor (sometimes months after the fact) and is known to delete huge threads full of good material from other people. Let him delete and alter his posts like a psycho, whatever...but I don’t think he should be able to delete threads anymore. 

Nice try, Ghent.  

 

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If someone CREATES a thread and then compromises themselves in any way in said thread, the onus is on the OP.  Posters shouldn’t be punished for OP’s foolishness.

Like @Ghent said this is extremely rare, because most people don’t incriminate themselves when creating a thread (lol). 

(Obviously posters should be allowed to edit and revise their posts until pigs fly, but deletion of threads should be a mod/admin job IMO).

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15 hours ago, Patient #48273 said:

I agree with Speedo. Let people edit posts if they want to remove content they no longer want on the boards, but don't let them delete other people's posts.

@Dean

Also, Aria owns the boards. Dean just has power here. Really Aria should be one making the decision. No offense Dean.

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Does it really matter that much? people lost a few posts of their post count, boo fucking hoo. 

As others said above, when you delete a status off Facebook it deletes everyone elses comments, why should here be any different? 

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Ignoring the fake accusations, and looking at the actual discussion of deleting personal content:

 

Fact of the matter is this, there's a real world besides internet forums.  People have real lives, jobs, relationships, and careers.  The internet has content on it that can impact the real world, and there are users on the internet that can impact somebody else's real world.

 

People's privacy is something that absolutely should be protected.  If somebody wants their content removed, they should have every right to do so.  Like what Dean is saying, if somebody makes a post on Facebook, they have every right to delete the content, even if people have commented on their post.  And they should have every right to do so, as the post is their's and their privacy is something that is taken into account.  People on Facebook make personal posts, and people reply to those personal posts.  If somebody wants that personal post removed, they can remove their post from Facebook and protect themselves.  The same thing occurs here.  People post personal content, people quote and reply to personal content, and people have the understanding that the content can be removed for their own protection.  It doesn't matter if it's due to somebody threatening them, or due to the fear that an employer might see it, or even due to the fact that they simply feel the need to remove it.  People have posted with the understanding that they can always delete their personal content if they feel the need to, and they still do.  They should always be able to.

 

If a thread is deleted, and somebody has written a novel or something and really wants their specific post back, then they should have the right to contact an admin and have a discussion about bringing that individual post back from the trash.  As long as the privacy of the thread creator is protected and the post doesn't infringe on that, then I don't see why not.

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2 minutes ago, _Kyle_ said:

Facebook is not a good barometer of "ethics".

It's a forum dedicated to blink-182, do we really need to start diving into ethics? 

Yeah it's a bit shit when someone deletes a funny thread we want to read again but in the grand scheme of things, does it matter that much? 

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7 minutes ago, ...Dan... said:

It's a forum dedicated to blink-182, do we really need to start diving into ethics? 

Yeah it's a bit shit when someone deletes a funny thread we want to read again but in the grand scheme of things, does it matter that much? 

I would say so.

I mean, can I delete your posts? I don't see why this is even a problem, he could edit his posts and remove anything he didn't like. Ask us to remove content that he doesn't want out there. To delete a whole thread because your embarrassed (which seems to be the real reason) would be irrational. Maybe you don't remember the OG confessions thread being deleted but that is pretty annoying. I personally like looking at my old posts to remember what I was doing or thinking. Nobody should be able to take that away.

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