whales Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 There's been plenty of discussion about what people like/don't like about the production of California and other Blink albums, so I thought it would be fun to see what everyone's favorites are. I've recently been enjoying Proper Dose by TSSF a ton for it's very specifically chosen sounds and mixing direction, which is a new one for them. An example of an album that I love but would change some things up on is Life's Not Out to Get You by Neck Deep. Love the album, but sometimes the mixing bothers my ears. Not sure if there's already a thread for this kind of thing, so direct me towards it and delete this if so! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ182 Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 Keeping these more or less within Blink's genre: Jeff Rosenstock - WORRY Weezer - Pinkerton And to add to the pile, two albums that Mark himself produced and I think were produced really well and sound great: PAWS - No Grace Motion City Soundtrack - Commit This To Memory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 11 hours ago, Champ182 said: Motion City Soundtrack - Commit This To Memory probably one of the greatest albums the genre ever produced. and mark's production masterpiece. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Backing Track Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Blink - Self Titled Linkin Park - Meteora Motion City Soundtrack - CTTM Taking Back Sunday - Tidal Waves Modest Mouse - Good News Red Hot - Stadium Arcadiam Queens of Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf +44 - WYHSB Boxcar Racer Self Titled it's honestly my favorite production of all time... There's so many little details to my favorite genre and favorite band. It's still ahead of it's time production wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Zoomer Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 No help here but Jerry Finn and Mike Sapone are my favorite producers. I wonder why Mark never bothered to produce California by himself, other than maybe being insecure perhaps (or needed the $$$)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Clarity - Jimmy Eat World It's fucking gorgeous. Goodbye Sky Harbour is eargasmic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosferatu Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 When it comes to blink, I'd choose smiley face & Enema. Boxcar Racer, +44 and the first AVA album are great when it comes to production too. Big fan of the production from December Underground by AFI. Chuck by Sum 41 isn't the most polished sounding album but I love how raw it sounds. Kinda like the production from Bad Religion's "The Dissent of Man". Always been a big fan of the production of Sex Pistols album too. Sounds more like a 90's album than a 70's album in my opinion. Strange for a punk rock band of the 70's to have a very good quality sounding album. A Beautiful Lie & This is War from 30 Seconds to Mars sound really good too IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elisa Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Talking about recent stuffs, Will Yip's production on Floral Green by Title Fight is amazing. Not so recent: Untitled, Clarity, MCS, Pinkerton especially for how the drums sound, and I'm big into the Mike Sapone sound like Deja Entendu, Science Fiction, the Sainthood Reps demos, his Crime in Stereo stuff. Not blink/pop punk related: Brothers in Arms by Dire Straits is such a good sounding album. The remixed edition of Sgt. Pepper's that came out last year sounds great too. And anything Chris Walla did with Death Cab is incredibly well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 It would be convenient to clarify some concepts before start, but let's get it simple: I'll understand production as the sum of the artistic production itself + EQ-mixing + mastering. Just to not get too muddier here. In no particular order and not caring about genres/eras: - Pet Sounds, by The Beach Boys. Produced by Brian Wilson. I think he even got better when produced the single Good Vibrations. He was a total master in terms of dynamics. Thinking about it, and about what he was able to achieve (also other producers and bands of those years, of course), and just when recording techniques and studios were technologically light years away from what we have now... it just blows my mind. - For Emma, Forever Ago, by Bon Iver. Produced by Justin Vernon. Basically recorded in an isolated house at the mountains. Initially conceived as demos, those recordings ended up being the final album, except for some little arrangements ere and there, which were lately added on the studio. Noting else was altered or changed. Not even re-recorded. - In Utero, by Nirvana. Produced by Steve Albini. In its recent 20th anniversary re-release, I loved to hear the Albini's mixes for Heart Shaped Box and All Apologies, which were re-mixed by Scott Litt for its original release. About this record and its production I like how the band turned off their backs to Nevermind's sound, just to offer a rawer/thrasher/punker? version of themselves, but keeping a warm core and sound. - A Night At The Opera, y Queen. Produced by Roy Thomas Baker and Queen. The album itself was a total landmark. And although the production, itself, was nothing new (it was heavily influenced by the production of albums like IV by Led Zeppelin), they, somehow, were able to twist that a little bit more. Multi layered vocals and instruments, mixed in a way that sounds pretty natural and wide. The sound on that album, today, still sounds fresh and real. About more modern records, although this is an unpopular opinion for the old-school fans of blink, I think Enema Of The State was nearly achieving the perfect spot for blink IMO, but finally it got fully engaged on the volume war, so that's the reason why I'd preffer Dude Ranch's production over it, probably. Is not like Dude Ranch is not over peaked, but due to its more simpler approach and 'darker' sound, it's less evident. so the album breathes a little bit more. Also, I like too Motion City Soundtrack's Commit This To Memory. Still amazes me how Mark was able to do that and the PAWS record and now, well. I agree about Clarity too. Sweet songwriting there, strong album and really good approach on production. Also, I really like Green Day's Dookie/Insomniac production. I think on Dookie they achieved their best sound. Overall this is my take on this subject. There are other aproductions I like, of course, but thinking about them, and others which are, at least, as well produced as those. The same applies for modern ones. Understanding how moder stadards apply now, and how some artists avoid that, there are some good productions out there. In this regard, and in my opinion, the battle now is not that much on the 'artistic' side, which is important, of course, but on the 'volume' war side of the story. Because you can have a record which has been produced artistically to your taste, or being really interesting and good, but being also ruined by an outrageous mixing and mastering. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 On 11/3/2018 at 3:54 AM, Kay said: Clarity - Jimmy Eat World probably trombino's best album. @Kay, you know that his work with JEW on static prevails was the reason mark and tom asked him to do dude ranch, right? which is a shame; not trombino's genre. the production of dude ranch (and the mix, and the mastering) is god awful. i wish they had someone on it who rocks the genre, like ryan green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, daveyjones said: probably trombino's best album. @Kay, you know that his work with JEW on static prevails was the reason mark and tom asked him to do dude ranch, right? which is a shame; not trombino's genre. the production of dude ranch (and the mix, and the mastering) is god awful. i wish they had someone on it who rocks the genre, like ryan green. I knew they were fans of static but not that they asked trombino for that reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 On 11/3/2018 at 9:41 AM, Ghost said: Pet Sounds, by The Beach Boys. I think on Dookie they achieved their best sound. pet sounds is godly. and yes, i think dookie is the best green day ever sounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Kay said: I knew they were fans of static but not that they asked trombino for that reason indeed this is true; was told by the boys themselves. static is also where tom stole the (now endlessly overused) half step up from. "pathetic," "dick lips," "violence" etc. i think he thinks it's being clever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 On 11/3/2018 at 2:38 PM, Elisa said: Talking about recent stuffs, Will Yip's production on Floral Green by Title Fight is amazing. Not so recent: Untitled, Clarity, MCS, Pinkerton especially for how the drums sound, and I'm big into the Mike Sapone sound like Deja Entendu, Science Fiction, the Sainthood Reps demos, his Crime in Stereo stuff. Not blink/pop punk related: Brothers in Arms by Dire Straits is such a good sounding album. The remixed edition of Sgt. Pepper's that came out last year sounds great too. And anything Chris Walla did with Death Cab is incredibly well done. Chris Walla is amazing. He did the tegan and sara record "the con" . they made a sweet making of movie of that record and it's super interesting. I love how versatile yet cohesive that record sounds! He also did the follow up record which also sounds superb! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 35 minutes ago, daveyjones said: pet sounds is godly. and yes, i think dookie is the best green day ever sounded. Indeed. I must add something. Specially with old releases, when they get remastered you can get a pretty diverse palette of versions. Taking as example Pet Sounds, or Stg. Pepper if you will, or even A Night In The Opera, for example, there are tons of versions released. I mean: tons. The original ones, the remasters that have been happening over the years and anniversaries and what not... that fact can 'ruin' a record, for those who care about sound. The artistic production -being that the recorded songs themselves-, is someting that is not gonna change, but hell... dependind on how the record is remastered (or even remixed, which is something I don't like, because you are changing the original concept), you're gonna get different ends. So, for example, DCC is a company well known for its releases, some of them getting much beter mastering than, even, original ones. They have done some of the best re-releases of albums such the ones mentioned above. They just don't mess with compression, levels or EQ. What I mean with this is that, the same record can be judged very different depending on the mastering. But that, itself, is not going to fix mixing mistakes or blurryness and muddyness, so to say. And talking about Dude Ranch, I had no idea blink asked Trombino to produce it after hearing Static Prevails. That explains it all. Edit: I mean, production is a hell of a theme. It's a very complex subject, specially when we talk about how someone perceives the overall production of an album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 On 11/3/2018 at 6:38 AM, Elisa said: Brothers in Arms by Dire Straits is such a good sounding album. it's actually still used today by audiophiles as reference quality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Ghost said: Specially with old releases, when they get remastered you can get a pretty diverse palette of versions. Taking as example Pet Sounds... it's funny, i did not think i would, but i love the 1997 stereo mix (supervised and approved by brian wilson, despite him being deaf in one ear) as much as the original mono mix. a good comparison: https://cosmomusic.ca/blogs/2016/08/jimmys-classic-album-review-the-beach-boys-pet-sounds-mono-vs-stereo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxelder Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 yeah, agreed on pet sounds, and the 97 stereo remix is wonderful. i love the nightfly by donald fagen... production-wise, it can't be beat. it was meticulously recorded, as fagen (with walter becker, and their engineers) were famously crazy about audio quality. aja's probably the better reference for SQ (and it was recorded analog), but nightfly's an early digital recording that sounds absolutely crisp. transatlanticism by death cab is a real headphone album that almost transports you to another world. i think weezer's white album was interesting production-wise... the drums sound so crunchy (weird word, i know), and the cymbals so loud... it really makes for a fun listen compared to their other albums (ric ocasek's production isn't mind-blowing). in more recent records, i think the production/mix/mastering on tame impala's currents was a new level (though it's incredibly loud, i think for an album like that, it matches well artistically). as for records already mentioned, i agree that EOTS and CTTM are some of the best-sounding punk rock records ever. untitled by blink is a real masterwork too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasa Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 GREAT topic idea, @Whales! My favorite album productions are: The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds Daft Punk, Random Access Memories Fleetwood Mac, Rumours Green Day, Dookie Sufjan Stevens, Illinois Tyler, the Creator, Flower Boy Weezer's White Album New Order, Power, Corruption & Lies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarJarBlinks Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 Metallica- Black Album Converge-Jane Doe John Mayer-Heartbreak Warfare AVA-WDNTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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