New website WTF

[M!ke]

No offense IAMVICTOR, but do you ever think that Tom does something wrong?  I see you defend literally everything he does that people have problems with, and I think people MAY have a legit problem here.  Right now i can't justify 7 dollars a month for this website, HOWEVER, in the future their may be crazy shit on that site that may be worth the money.

But I have to say this, why the fuck should we have to pay to see photos and blogs?  that is ridiculous, i understand music, and even to an extent some of the videos (live feed for example, though short films should not be something you have to pay to view either).

I dunno, I really have to see more before I make any real decisions about it all.  Right now, not worth it.

[MSandt]

so then what does he charge people for?

cds, which noone buys?

For the music. The gimmicks they offer at their website are irrelevant. It's the music they want you to pay for.

the idea here is that muscians gotta make money somehow. and if they cant make it by selling cds, they  make it with this behind the scenes stuff

Works for established artists and even they'd eventually be making that money by selling music. You don't attract fans with gimmicks. It's the music that counts.

its just flippin the switch here. in the past people bought cds, and got exclusive stuff for free. now its the other way around, because nobody wants to pay for mp3s anymore.

You're exaggerating the problem. The sales have not dropped that dramatically. Some studies suggest they have barely dropped at all.

[fElon]

so whats he supposed to, lose money for the rest of his career? profit has to come in somewhere

and let me remind you...this isnt JUST TOM

its not a fucking dictatorship man (yeah yeah, do your jokes)

but people have to get paid. tom isnt a one man army. people at macbeth and loserkids have to get paid dont they?

people at the label have to get paid dont they?

what about the designers, animators, producers, directors?

they have to get paid dont they?

how about the other 3 in the band?

tom's obviously pooling together ALOT of people to do this. so what's he gonna do then? not make any profit and just keep losing money?

he's jsut gonna keep making films and videos and websites and media and music, and not expect to get anything in return just cuz hes a millionaire? he'll build a studio, then give away his music and lose money. he'll make short films and then not pay any of his crew and just lose money? what the fuck dude. telling somebody not to make a profit..thats just the lamest shit ive ever heard

so is there a cutoff point oliver? how about..once u make 5 million dollars, you arent allowed to get any more profit from waht you are doing, is that what it should be? when you reach a certain level of celebrity status, ok, you've been topped off, u cant make anymore now

all you haters, its all just sour fucking grapes, thats all it is. shoot a man down when he's trying to do something unique and different, shoot a man down when he's trying to dream or trying to be larger than life. fuck. i remember when that was what rock n roll used to be about. win or lose, pass or fail, as long as you have the guts to act like you're bigger than the world

fuck you all

Listen Victor, for the sake of rehashing the same shit for the 1 millionth time, I am going to say that I have NO PROBLEM with Tom charging $7 a month for his website. It is reasonable. I was under the assumption it would be a lot more.

Is that fair?

I am not a hater. I try to tell it like it is.

However Msandt is correct in saying it is a gimmick. It should be about the music, not all the other bullshit. You are making it seem like artists don't make money off CD sales anymore, when they do! Not to mention touring and everthing else that comes with it.

I think all this gimmick stuff Tom is doing is unnecessary.

[Chris]

An entrepreneur (a loanword from French introduced and first defined by the Irish economist Richard Cantillon) is a person who operates a new enterprise or venture and assumes some accountability for the inherent risks.

[Bob Loblaw]

Listen Victor, for the sake of rehashing the same shit for the 1 millionth time, I am going to say that I have NO PROBLEM with Tom charging $7 a month for his website. It is reasonable. I was under the assumption it would be a lot more.

Is that fair?

I am not a hater. I try to tell it like it is.

However Msandt is correct in saying it is a gimmick. It should be about the music, not all the other bullshit. You are making it seem like artists don't make money off CD sales anymore, when they do! Not to mention touring and everthing else that comes with it.

I think all this gimmick stuff Tom is doing is unnecessary.

The thing is, if you're not a fan of the band or you don't care about the "gimmicks," don't sign up.  It is optional.  You can still go ahead and buy the CD and not pay for the "bullshit."

And why do some people act like you're just paying for a blog and photos?  Yeah, they're included, but don't act like that's all you get.

[trunks]

It's not working right for me. Keeps freezing. But that sucks that Tom is still down with screwing his fans out of money despite the fact that he has so much of it.

Truly a shame.

so if his music is free. and all the multimedia is free...then what?

is tom gonna start giving out free tours of his house?

bottom line is, money's gotta come from somewhere.

each and every one of these short films he's doing is costing big bucks. he's doing 2 movies, thats costing him big bucks. all the fan stuff he's trying to do, its costing money.

this website he's doing, its costing money. no doubt alot of designer effort has gone into it

yes, tom is rich, but what do u suggest?

that he lives the rest of his life as a fuckin artistic charity and just start handing out free cds on the street corners?

how does tom "screw" people of their money if he's making shit, and asking people to pay for it?

i dont hear you complaining that tom is screwing his fans because hes charging money for his cds. dear God, that would be unthinkable

look man, i understand why u bitch. celebrities = rich, life = unfair

but i dont get what you want out of tom. its not like he's gonna start throwing out silver dollars from roof tops just cuz he has all this undeserved wealth according to you

I don't have a problem with Tom selling CD's or doing tours for money. I also don't have a problem with him getting money to pay website fees and whatever else.

But it is my belief that he is trying to PROFIT off this website.

I just think that is stupid.

It's like he's saying "There is going to be this great new music revolutionary website...............now where is my money for it?" I mean is it really going to be $85?!?!?!?!?!

Tom obviously sees music as mainly a business otherwise he would not have had his manager call Mark and Travis to tell them he quit.

He would have seen them as friends, NOT business partners and would have done it himself.

Bish: It did not cost Tom millions of dollars to make this stuff, you are absolutely nuts.

so whats he supposed to, lose money for the rest of his career? profit has to come in somewhere

and let me remind you...this isnt JUST TOM

its not a fucking dictatorship man (yeah yeah, do your jokes)

but people have to get paid. tom isnt a one man army. people at macbeth and loserkids have to get paid dont they?

people at the label have to get paid dont they?

what about the designers, animators, producers, directors?

they have to get paid dont they?

how about the other 3 in the band?

tom's obviously pooling together ALOT of people to do this. so what's he gonna do then? not make any profit and just keep losing money?

he's jsut gonna keep making films and videos and websites and media and music, and not expect to get anything in return just cuz hes a millionaire? he'll build a studio, then give away his music and lose money. he'll make short films and then not pay any of his crew and just lose money? what the fuck dude. telling somebody not to make a profit..thats just the lamest shit ive ever heard

so is there a cutoff point oliver? how about..once u make 5 million dollars, you arent allowed to get any more profit from waht you are doing, is that what it should be? when you reach a certain level of celebrity status, ok, you've been topped off, u cant make anymore now

all you haters, its all just sour fucking grapes, thats all it is. shoot a man down when he's trying to do something unique and different, shoot a man down when he's trying to dream or trying to be larger than life. fuck. i remember when that was what rock n roll used to be about. win or lose, pass or fail, as long as you have the guts to act like you're bigger than the world

fuck you all

I partly agree with you but tom isn't doing anything unique or extraordinary. He is not the first one, who wants fans to pay for behind the scenes videos and stuff like that. He didn't invent that. It's just like any other "exclusive" fan club. You pay an amount monthly and you get the previously unreleased shit. That's it, nothing new about it.

[supervic]

so whats he supposed to, lose money for the rest of his career? profit has to come in somewhere

and let me remind you...this isnt JUST TOM

its not a fucking dictatorship man (yeah yeah, do your jokes)

but people have to get paid. tom isnt a one man army. people at macbeth and loserkids have to get paid dont they?

people at the label have to get paid dont they?

what about the designers, animators, producers, directors?

they have to get paid dont they?

how about the other 3 in the band?

tom's obviously pooling together ALOT of people to do this. so what's he gonna do then? not make any profit and just keep losing money?

he's jsut gonna keep making films and videos and websites and media and music, and not expect to get anything in return just cuz hes a millionaire? he'll build a studio, then give away his music and lose money. he'll make short films and then not pay any of his crew and just lose money? what the fuck dude. telling somebody not to make a profit..thats just the lamest shit ive ever heard

so is there a cutoff point oliver? how about..once u make 5 million dollars, you arent allowed to get any more profit from waht you are doing, is that what it should be? when you reach a certain level of celebrity status, ok, you've been topped off, u cant make anymore now

all you haters, its all just sour fucking grapes, thats all it is. shoot a man down when he's trying to do something unique and different, shoot a man down when he's trying to dream or trying to be larger than life. fuck. i remember when that was what rock n roll used to be about. win or lose, pass or fail, as long as you have the guts to act like you're bigger than the world

fuck you all

Listen Victor, for the sake of rehashing the same shit for the 1 millionth time, I am going to say that I have NO PROBLEM with Tom charging $7 a month for his website. It is reasonable. I was under the assumption it would be a lot more.

Is that fair?

I am not a hater. I try to tell it like it is.

However Msandt is correct in saying it is a gimmick. It should be about the music, not all the other bullshit. You are making it seem like artists don't make money off CD sales anymore, when they do! Not to mention touring and everthing else that comes with it.

I think all this gimmick stuff Tom is doing is unnecessary.

well if you have no problem with him charging money, then why did u just say he shouldnt be making a profit? its an unreasonable thing to say

it is about the music, but its adding onto it. look i'm not brainwashed or wahtever because half of the short films and stuff i dont even get into. but the point is tom wants to add more to it than just the music, he's trying to make a movie and short films and themes to all of the visuals to complement the music. its not gimmicks its just art

a gimmick would be if tom bit the head off of a bat, or if tom had a sex tape. its not a gimmick to do videos for all your songs or to produce a movie. how is that a gimmick? all of those things are expression and art just like music is

and trunks i'm not here to debate whether or not anybody thinks this is good, or its going to work, or its revolutionary. i'm saying that if you dont like it, thanks for the opinion, but i dont want to hear the bitterness dripping from everybodys words saying how tom has gone insane, or tom is a fuckin greedy whore or something. if u dont like something THAT much, then get the hell out. ive said this before, people outside of this section hate ava and hate tom, but they dont come in here and infest this place with their fuckin poisonous words like "tom should be shot for being such a fucking idiot" like so many of you haters love to parade around here proclaiming

[CyanFire]

It's easy to hack the site, well getting the videos is, i havent tried getting anything else yet, so you might not neccessarily have to pay to get the stuff

[dildo69er]

if its easy can u get the video of call to arms that was just posted id like to see it

[mostdope182]

Do any of you people realize that Tom has a label that can let him borrow millions of dollars. Why do you think its all Tom? He doesnt pay all these people his label does. Just because it has nothing to do with a music video or recording doesn't  mean that Tom is dishing all this money. This is just one of the many "promotions" that Tom pulls, to gain money, and who pays for the promotion of big name musicians, their label. Sure he dished out some money, but you guys are defiantly going overboard. The label knows that he can make a killing off this, with all the 14 year olds and obsessive people like Oliver, buying into this bullshit, so they lend him the money, he launches the site, and boom, the label makes money, he makes money, everyone is happy.

[Bob Loblaw]

Do any of you people realize that Tom has a label that can let him borrow millions of dollars. Why do you think its all Tom? He doesnt pay all these people his label does. Just because it has nothing to do with a music video or recording doesn't  mean that Tom is dishing all this money. This is just one of the many "promotions" that Tom pulls, to gain money, and who pays for the promotion of big name musicians, their label. Sure he dished out some money, but you guys are defiantly going overboard. The label knows that he can make a killing off this, with all the 14 year olds and obsessive people like Oliver, buying into this bullshit, so they lend him the money, he launches the site, and boom, the label makes money, he makes money, everyone is happy.

That's a pretty big assumption there.  It's Tom's company that launched the website.  RLP's name is on it, not the record labels.

[Thomas D.]

I don't get these drama queens either. I don't even know if they realise how fucking sad and pathetic they sound.

Here's the thing. It's safe to say that people buy less albums because they can get them for free if they download them illegaly. And seriously, if you go to a record store and you see a cd you already have downloaded, why the hell would you buy it? Because of the booklet? Hell no, the artists have to offer more than that to make a difference. And I think this is what tom is trying to do. He wants to deliver more than just the music itself, he wants us to experience his music in a lot of different ways, via pics and videos and bootlegs and whatever more.

So stop you fucking whining about how tom shouldn't ask money to give acces to exclusive stuff, just because he's rich enough. If you had the slightest idea of how the business works, you'd understand. And please, if you don't like it, just don't buy it and stop being such a pussy about it. You guys seriously need to grow up, your bitching is really really beginning to get pathetic.

[Chris]

Do any of you people realize that Tom has a label that can let him borrow millions of dollars. Why do you think its all Tom? He doesnt pay all these people his label does. Just because it has nothing to do with a music video or recording doesn't  mean that Tom is dishing all this money. This is just one of the many "promotions" that Tom pulls, to gain money, and who pays for the promotion of big name musicians, their label. Sure he dished out some money, but you guys are defiantly going overboard. The label knows that he can make a killing off this, with all the 14 year olds and obsessive people like Oliver, buying into this bullshit, so they lend him the money, he launches the site, and boom, the label makes money, he makes money, everyone is happy.

That's a pretty big assumption there.  It's Tom's company that launched the website.  RLP's name is on it, not the record labels.

http://www.geffen.com/artist/releases/default.aspx/pid/2524/aid/407

[mostdope182]

Do any of you people realize that Tom has a label that can let him borrow millions of dollars. Why do you think its all Tom? He doesnt pay all these people his label does. Just because it has nothing to do with a music video or recording doesn't  mean that Tom is dishing all this money. This is just one of the many "promotions" that Tom pulls, to gain money, and who pays for the promotion of big name musicians, their label. Sure he dished out some money, but you guys are defiantly going overboard. The label knows that he can make a killing off this, with all the 14 year olds and obsessive people like Oliver, buying into this bullshit, so they lend him the money, he launches the site, and boom, the label makes money, he makes money, everyone is happy.

That's a pretty big assumption there.  It's Tom's company that launched the website.  RLP's name is on it, not the record labels.

Any CD, Single, Music Video, etc is strung through the record label. You can buy the record from the site so therefore it does have to do with the label, maybe alot, maybe a little, only Tom and the record label know that.

[punkrocker27ka]

how is this different from the army of angels website?  i thought he was going to do something revolutionary?  the army of angels was the exact same thing, you get access to a site with exclusive video and pre-sale tickets.  but it totally sucked because they never updated it at all.  if this is Tom's crazy new program thats going to change the industry forever, fucking forgetaboutit.  AFI has been doing the same thing for years.  There is nothing revolutionary about this at all.  FUCK TOM

-Kyle

[Bob Loblaw]

Do any of you people realize that Tom has a label that can let him borrow millions of dollars. Why do you think its all Tom? He doesnt pay all these people his label does. Just because it has nothing to do with a music video or recording doesn't  mean that Tom is dishing all this money. This is just one of the many "promotions" that Tom pulls, to gain money, and who pays for the promotion of big name musicians, their label. Sure he dished out some money, but you guys are defiantly going overboard. The label knows that he can make a killing off this, with all the 14 year olds and obsessive people like Oliver, buying into this bullshit, so they lend him the money, he launches the site, and boom, the label makes money, he makes money, everyone is happy.

That's a pretty big assumption there.  It's Tom's company that launched the website.  RLP's name is on it, not the record labels.

http://www.geffen.com/artist/releases/default.aspx/pid/2524/aid/407

Did you just prove my point?  I'm talking about modlife, not the actual album

Do any of you people realize that Tom has a label that can let him borrow millions of dollars. Why do you think its all Tom? He doesnt pay all these people his label does. Just because it has nothing to do with a music video or recording doesn't  mean that Tom is dishing all this money. This is just one of the many "promotions" that Tom pulls, to gain money, and who pays for the promotion of big name musicians, their label. Sure he dished out some money, but you guys are defiantly going overboard. The label knows that he can make a killing off this, with all the 14 year olds and obsessive people like Oliver, buying into this bullshit, so they lend him the money, he launches the site, and boom, the label makes money, he makes money, everyone is happy.

That's a pretty big assumption there.  It's Tom's company that launched the website.  RLP's name is on it, not the record labels.

Any CD, Single, Music Video, etc is strung through the record label. You can buy the record from the site so therefore it does have to do with the label, maybe alot, maybe a little, only Tom and the record label know that.

Yeah, but again, I'm talking about modlife.  I know that videos and albums are through the record label.  And you can't buy the album off of the site, you can buy it from angelsandairwaves.com.

[Bish182]

Oliver, motion pictures cost millions of dollars...end of. I did film studies...

Tom's won't be as high a budget as Hollywood given, but it will still be costing a shiteload of money, including the short films, and the documentary put with it...

Why does everyone these days expect to get everything for free? No one buys CDs anymore, so when bands release videos, films and short films with their music, people should get these for free as well? If the music is free, the extra content is free and basically everything else is free....where does the money come from?

[Bob Loblaw]

how is this different from the army of angels website?  i thought he was going to do something revolutionary?  the army of angels was the exact same thing, you get access to a site with exclusive video and pre-sale tickets.  but it totally sucked because they never updated it at all.  if this is Tom's crazy new program thats going to change the industry forever, fucking forgetaboutit.  AFI has been doing the same thing for years.  There is nothing revolutionary about this at all.  FUCK TOM

-Kyle

Army of Angels was run through the record company, modlife is run by Tom.  There's no comparison.  There is more stuff on modlife right now than AOA ever had.  It's not like you care to know the facts though, you just hated Tom even before this website.

[Broken English]

It's not working right for me. Keeps freezing. But that sucks that Tom is still down with screwing his fans out of money despite the fact that he has so much of it.

Truly a shame.

so if his music is free. and all the multimedia is free...then what?

is tom gonna start giving out free tours of his house?

bottom line is, money's gotta come from somewhere.

each and every one of these short films he's doing is costing big bucks. he's doing 2 movies, thats costing him big bucks. all the fan stuff he's trying to do, its costing money.

this website he's doing, its costing money. no doubt alot of designer effort has gone into it

yes, tom is rich, but what do u suggest?

that he lives the rest of his life as a fuckin artistic charity and just start handing out free cds on the street corners?

how does tom "screw" people of their money if he's making shit, and asking people to pay for it?

i dont hear you complaining that tom is screwing his fans because hes charging money for his cds. dear God, that would be unthinkable

look man, i understand why u bitch. celebrities = rich, life = unfair

but i dont get what you want out of tom. its not like he's gonna start throwing out silver dollars from roof tops just cuz he has all this undeserved wealth according to you

I don't have a problem with Tom selling CD's or doing tours for money. I also don't have a problem with him getting money to pay website fees and whatever else.

But it is my belief that he is trying to PROFIT off this website.

I just think that is stupid.

It's like he's saying "There is going to be this great new music revolutionary website...............now where is my money for it?" I mean is it really going to be $85?!?!?!?!?!

Tom obviously sees music as mainly a business otherwise he would not have had his manager call Mark and Travis to tell them he quit.

He would have seen them as friends, NOT business partners and would have done it himself.

Bish: It did not cost Tom millions of dollars to make this stuff, you are absolutely nuts.

so whats he supposed to, lose money for the rest of his career? profit has to come in somewhere

and let me remind you...this isnt JUST TOM

its not a fucking dictatorship man (yeah yeah, do your jokes)

but people have to get paid. tom isnt a one man army. people at macbeth and loserkids have to get paid dont they?

people at the label have to get paid dont they?

what about the designers, animators, producers, directors?

they have to get paid dont they?

how about the other 3 in the band?

tom's obviously pooling together ALOT of people to do this. so what's he gonna do then? not make any profit and just keep losing money?

he's jsut gonna keep making films and videos and websites and media and music, and not expect to get anything in return just cuz hes a millionaire? he'll build a studio, then give away his music and lose money. he'll make short films and then not pay any of his crew and just lose money? what the fuck dude. telling somebody not to make a profit..thats just the lamest shit ive ever heard

so is there a cutoff point oliver? how about..once u make 5 million dollars, you arent allowed to get any more profit from waht you are doing, is that what it should be? when you reach a certain level of celebrity status, ok, you've been topped off, u cant make anymore now

all you haters, its all just sour fucking grapes, thats all it is. shoot a man down when he's trying to do something unique and different, shoot a man down when he's trying to dream or trying to be larger than life. fuck. i remember when that was what rock n roll used to be about. win or lose, pass or fail, as long as you have the guts to act like you're bigger than the world

fuck you all

As much as Tom may be a nutjob nowadays, you are entirely correct.

[Broken English]

It's not working right for me. Keeps freezing. But that sucks that Tom is still down with screwing his fans out of money despite the fact that he has so much of it.

Truly a shame.

so if his music is free. and all the multimedia is free...then what?

is tom gonna start giving out free tours of his house?

bottom line is, money's gotta come from somewhere.

each and every one of these short films he's doing is costing big bucks. he's doing 2 movies, thats costing him big bucks. all the fan stuff he's trying to do, its costing money.

this website he's doing, its costing money. no doubt alot of designer effort has gone into it

yes, tom is rich, but what do u suggest?

that he lives the rest of his life as a fuckin artistic charity and just start handing out free cds on the street corners?

how does tom "screw" people of their money if he's making shit, and asking people to pay for it?

i dont hear you complaining that tom is screwing his fans because hes charging money for his cds. dear God, that would be unthinkable

look man, i understand why u bitch. celebrities = rich, life = unfair

but i dont get what you want out of tom. its not like he's gonna start throwing out silver dollars from roof tops just cuz he has all this undeserved wealth according to you

I don't have a problem with Tom selling CD's or doing tours for money. I also don't have a problem with him getting money to pay website fees and whatever else.

But it is my belief that he is trying to PROFIT off this website.

I just think that is stupid.

It's like he's saying "There is going to be this great new music revolutionary website...............now where is my money for it?" I mean is it really going to be $85?!?!?!?!?!

Tom obviously sees music as mainly a business otherwise he would not have had his manager call Mark and Travis to tell them he quit.

He would have seen them as friends, NOT business partners and would have done it himself.

Bish: It did not cost Tom millions of dollars to make this stuff, you are absolutely nuts.

From now on you are forbidden to use google, ebay, amazon....well, pretty much anything on the net. They all make mega profits, and that's just wrong.

For fuck's sake, grow up.