Low Value Boy Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 I feel like people seem to completely hype up how good our squad is and use it as a stick to beat Southgate with. We're lacking in serious quality in defensive positions, the drop off in quality in midfield after Rice and Bellingham is also huge. We have good options going forward but so do a lot of other top teams. We don't have a God given right to win a major tournament, we fell in a game of the finest of margins (that game could have easily been 2-1 or 3-1 England on a different day) and I think we'd have gone on and won if Kane didn't sky the penalty. I personally don't think it's a sackable offence and I think he should see out his current contract, if he doesn't win Euro 2024 then maybe it's time for a change. I don't think you can underestimate how much he's restored the fun factor of being an England fan after the Capello/Hodgson years, now those were fucking dreadful. For both the players and the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roux Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 They were only dreadful because the other teams were soo much better - now, with this squad - we all expect much much more. They have strong players in virtually every position and on the bench. Yeah its fun up until they come up against a decent team then they get sent packing. Not good enough - time for a change. IMO - we lack really tactical ability, specifically in midfield - we won't win anything with Rice, Mount, Henderson, Phillips etc. Bellingham is our only hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Value Boy Posted December 22, 2022 Report Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/21/2022 at 8:21 PM, Roux said: They were only dreadful because the other teams were soo much better - now, with this squad - we all expect much much more. They have strong players in virtually every position and on the bench. Yeah its fun up until they come up against a decent team then they get sent packing. Not good enough - time for a change. IMO - we lack really tactical ability, specifically in midfield - we won't win anything with Rice, Mount, Henderson, Phillips etc. Bellingham is our only hope. We're top heavy, loads of strength in depth in attacking positions. Not so much in midfield or defence. Rice and Bellingham is a class midfield pairing, complement each other perfectly. Both were fantastic against top class opposition in France, 19 and 23 as well, they will continue to grow together and Rice will only get better when he joins a top team next summer. Same when Bellingham gets his big move as well. Football is a game of fine margins and only one team can win each tournament, there is no shame going out to France in a super close game, should Kane get dropped as well for missing the pen as well then? Also, if you're so desperate to get rid, who would you bring in? have to remember being an international manager is very different to club management as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roux Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 11 hours ago, Low Value Boy said: We're top heavy, loads of strength in depth in attacking positions. Not so much in midfield or defence. Rice and Bellingham is a class midfield pairing, complement each other perfectly. Both were fantastic against top class opposition in France, 19 and 23 as well, they will continue to grow together and Rice will only get better when he joins a top team next summer. Same when Bellingham gets his big move as well. Football is a game of fine margins and only one team can win each tournament, there is no shame going out to France in a super close game, should Kane get dropped as well for missing the pen as well then? Also, if you're so desperate to get rid, who would you bring in? have to remember being an international manager is very different to club management as well. So were the other teams. Can hardly call Argentina, Brazil, France, Netherlands, Portugal, Croatia etc midfield and defence world class. But they have enough good players to be effective. France nearly won the World Cup with Rabiot in their midfield for god sake and Croatia came 3rd with a 37yo running midfield. The days of France and Brazil walking over teams is gone - teams are very even now. I don't think they are a great pairing Rice just isn't creative enough or good on the ball as Tchouameni, De Jong, Pedri, Enzo Fernandez etc... these players can control games from that position - Rice can't. Tchouameni was one of the players of the tournament. Bellingham is special, a completely different league to Rice - he'd fit well into the France team. I know you love Rice, and i'm not saying he's a bad player - he's just isn't good enough compared to what other teams have - that position is vital. Every team in the world is going to go for Enzo Fernandez because all-round game is far better and he'd be much cheaper. We can play this 'fine margin' game all we want, but we've been saying this crap for how many years now? How many golden generations are going to pass us by? Morocco played better football than England. I'd look at Ralf Rangnick, Tuchel, Pochettino, Conte - I mean how many great options do you want? Personally i think Tuchel could do wonders for this team. These guys would play to the teams strength's rather than Southgate's safety first, scared approach. There's more to football than players being mates with each other. I agree with Jamie Redknapp - any manager could do what Southgate did at this World Cup. He's bang on. They basically had one game against decent opposition the whole tournament and got sent home hah. Italy didn't even make the World Cup and still beat England in the last final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott. Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 @Rouxgakpo to Liverpool then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roux Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 10 hours ago, Scott. said: @Rouxgakpo to Liverpool then yeah madness considering he only cost 37m Unless we have Mbappe lined up we are in real trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott. Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Roux said: yeah madness considering he only cost 37m Unless we have Mbappe lined up we are in real trouble. Well I know the media will report that Liverpool beat us to him but also they say we didn’t even put a bid in and aren’t convinced by him. So which is it? I thought it was pretty obvious that the club wouldn’t sign anyone with a potential sale on the cards. It’ll be a loan deal for some mug. ETH has got his work cut out for fourth. Can guarantee all the teams around us do business in Jan and we’ll be shopping for freebies and loans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roux Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Scott. said: Well I know the media will report that Liverpool beat us to him but also they say we didn’t even put a bid in and aren’t convinced by him. So which is it? I thought it was pretty obvious that the club wouldn’t sign anyone with a potential sale on the cards. It’ll be a loan deal for some mug. ETH has got his work cut out for fourth. Can guarantee all the teams around us do business in Jan and we’ll be shopping for freebies and loans. we fucked up in the summer - massively. Gakpo can play multiple positions and had a great WC playing number 9. We should have gone for him. Liverpool have almost replaced their entire title winning front 3 and we are stuck with Rashford and Martial. Gutted there are no Embolo links - think he'd be great for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott. Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 I don’t think Gakpo is that good tbh. Reminds me of Rashford. A bit meh but with flashes of brilliance. He’s not what we need tbh. We need a CF. We’re skint though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roux Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 7 hours ago, Scott. said: I don’t think Gakpo is that good tbh. Reminds me of Rashford. A bit meh but with flashes of brilliance. He’s not what we need tbh. We need a CF. We’re skint though who knows what he will become - for 35m its nothing for a prospect like him. Good game tonight - still can't believe Casemiro plays for us - world class. Feels nice to have some true wide players in the side now in Antony and Garnacho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott. Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 I thought Antony was atrocious. Think he’s shit tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roux Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Scott. said: I thought Antony was atrocious. Think he’s shit tbh Him and Malacia didn't play well - but he's not shit, he causes so much damage on the right side - something we haven't had in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott. Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Roux said: Him and Malacia didn't play well - but he's not shit, he causes so much damage on the right side - something we haven't had in years. Does he? I don’t think he’s good at anything tbh. I don’t see this pace everyone bangs on about, doesn’t look quick to me, very one footed and predictable, keepers can read him easy because they know he’s gong to bend his body to get a strike off on his left foot. Fucks up simple passes, looks shell shocked too. Another Sancho imo. You either sink or swim at United. The club isn’t for everyone. He was dead to me when he faked an injury before the World Cup. Fuck him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roux Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 39 minutes ago, Scott. said: Does he? I don’t think he’s good at anything tbh. I don’t see this pace everyone bangs on about, doesn’t look quick to me, very one footed and predictable, keepers can read him easy because they know he’s gong to bend his body to get a strike off on his left foot. Fucks up simple passes, looks shell shocked too. Another Sancho imo. You either sink or swim at United. The club isn’t for everyone. He was dead to me when he faked an injury before the World Cup. Fuck him He's played 7 league games, with 3 goals. I'd give him more time before you judge him, he's only 22, plying in a tough league too. I really like watching him and Garnacho. lost count of the amount of players that are dead to you - seems to come fairly easily ha. Good fan ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roux Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 @Scott. watch this - summer could be very interesting... either going to see the best young talent i.e Bellingham, Fernandez etc go to other clubs or United are going to go all out. i can't believe the state of the club right now - we have no money because of sheer stupidly from everyone involved in the club the last few years. I thought last summer was going to be different 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott. Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 9 hours ago, Roux said: He's played 7 league games, with 3 goals. I'd give him more time before you judge him, he's only 22, plying in a tough league too. I really like watching him and Garnacho. lost count of the amount of players that are dead to you - seems to come fairly easily ha. Good fan ha. I just don’t see it pal. I hope I’m wrong obviously but he needs to do a lot to win me over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott. Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Roux said: @Scott. watch this - summer could be very interesting... either going to see the best young talent i.e Bellingham, Fernandez etc go to other clubs or United are going to go all out. i can't believe the state of the club right now - we have no money because of sheer stupidly from everyone involved in the club the last few years. I thought last summer was going to be different 🤣 A sale can’t come which enough. I think the main reason Chelsea seem to be going after everyone in Jan is because they know United and Liverpool will be sold and we haven’t got the money right now to compete in the Jan window. I don’t blame the club btw for not wanting to pay 16m for a 6 months loan for a player who’s not even a CF in felix. We should stay well clear. Not sure who on earth we could get on loan though. I’d rather just stick with what we’ve got for now tbh unless they can pull off something. I couldn’t even give you any names. Who’s available? Morata? I’d rather stick with Martial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott. Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 @Roux big opportunity tomorrow with Liverpool losing today and Chelsea vs City, Arsenal vs Newc and Spurs away to Palace. We’ve got a good chance to collect 3 points home to Bournemouth. btw Amad has been fantastic for Sunderland this season, I go on the Sunderland forums quite a bit and they’re all raving about him, can’t believe how good he is and head and shoulder above the Championship. I know it’s a big step up but would love to see him get a loan to a Brentford or something next season Hopefully Elanga can go to Everton on loan too, he needs a loan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roux Posted January 3, 2023 Report Share Posted January 3, 2023 11 hours ago, Scott. said: @Roux big opportunity tomorrow with Liverpool losing today and Chelsea vs City, Arsenal vs Newc and Spurs away to Palace. We’ve got a good chance to collect 3 points home to Bournemouth. btw Amad has been fantastic for Sunderland this season, I go on the Sunderland forums quite a bit and they’re all raving about him, can’t believe how good he is and head and shoulder above the Championship. I know it’s a big step up but would love to see him get a loan to a Brentford or something next season Hopefully Elanga can go to Everton on loan too, he needs a loan yeah deffo - we've had a crazy set of fixtures leading all the way up to X-mas, hopefully we can rack up the points now. Honestly, looking at the team - we don't need too much in summer. A Right back and a striker are essential, but what else? Honestly, i'd make a charge for Harry Kane - he can't be happy at Spurs, we know he's tried to leave before and there's not too many world class number 9's out there. If we can get around 100m for him and loan a right-back i'd be very happy. Elanga is awful, should just sell him really. Yeah Amad is a talent, another year on loan maybe to a Premier League team next year would be great - a team like Brentford or Wolves. I can't believe what i'm seeing with Newcastle Arsenal and Brentford - incredible jobs by each manager there. I'd consider someone like Thomas Frank for the England job, the guy is an outstanding coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roux Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE!!! Garnachooooooo!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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