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Of course they spent more money when they first started making money but do they continue to drop that amount of cash on things now?

Just the fact that you think you are "paying" for me proves to be that you are a worthless piece of shit.

We get around $120 a month in food stamps. Do you know how much food that is for three mouths? Not much but we still give half of it to my mother in law because she cannot buy herself food half the time.

You act like you know so much about this world but you are in a tiny little bubble where everything that is in your mind is fact.

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So you agree that Blink is a business. Good! Tom wanted AVA to be the biggest band in the world. He wanted to make a shit ton of money off it. Tons of people who are broke work very hard. How dare you say that people who don't have money don't work hard.

Tom wanted AvA to be the biggest band in the world and make music that every single person in the world loved and would then treat him like the god he thought he was. its still not anywhere near that but he still pumps money into it and is most likely making a loss . i never said people who dont have money dont work hard, i said that blink as a band worked hard to become famous. 

EDIT: by "to become famous" i mean make it as a band, fame came hand in hand with that 

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The chance blink took could have ruined their entire lives. Driving around in the back of a shitty broken down van with barely a dime to your name just to play music to people across the country is not an easy way to live. A large percentage of the people who do that will never make a profit. Most end up in the hole and ruin any chance they had at a regular career.

That's the risk they took.

How many bands travel from state to state and make no return on it? Blink got lucky. Most people don't. Blink had no idea they would go anywhere. Mark is still surprised by how influential 3(or 4 including Scott) people were to an entire generation. They assumed they would be living regular lives after a few years or they would be dead. I know Travis committed his life to music pretty early. That's a hard thing to do.

You act like they had everything handed to them from the beginning. That is not the truth in the slightest.

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Of course they spent more money when they first started making money but do they continue to drop that amount of cash on things now?

Just the fact that you think you are "paying" for me proves to be that you are a worthless piece of shit.

We get around $120 a month in food stamps. Do you know how much food that is for three mouths? Not much but we still give half of it to my mother in law because she cannot buy herself food half the time.

You act like you know so much about this world but you are in a tiny little bubble where everything that is in your mind is fact.

 

 

Yes, taxes do pay for your assistance. I don't think that makes me a piece of shit. Just the opposite actually. I think you got it all wrong I wasn't saying I am willing to pay for you in a sarcastic way; I was saying it in a sincere way. I think you should get more actually.

 

I still don't believe you live on less than $10K a year with a kid.  It doesn't seem possible. Health insurance? Transportation? Rent? I don't know about where you live but here rent isn't any cheaper than $800 a month and that is for a rat infested shithole. So right there is $10K and that is just rent and nothing else. So where do you live? Something doesn't add up to me.

 

I don't mean this in a bad way but if you can live on that amount, good for you. I think the majority of people think a household income of less than $40K a year is poor, and if you can REALLY make do on $10K (which I don't see how) I can really respect that.

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The chance blink took could have ruined their entire lives. Driving around in the back of a shitty broken down van with barely a dime to your name just to play music to people across the country is not an easy way to live. A large percentage of the people who do that will never make a profit. Most end up in the hole and ruin any chance they had at a regular career.

That's the risk they took.

How many bands travel from state to state and make no return on it? Blink got lucky. Most people don't. Blink had no idea they would go anywhere. Mark is still surprised by how influential 3(or 4 including Scott) people were to an entire generation. They assumed they would be living regular lives after a few years or they would be dead. I know Travis committed his life to music pretty early. That's a hard thing to do.

You act like they had everything handed to them from the beginning. That is not the truth in the slightest.

 No, not at all actually. They were in their early 20's and that is a time when most people aren't doing shit with themselves anyway. Mark had the idea of being a teacher in his back pocket. They wouldn't have been any worse off than any of the rest of the population just because they were doing the "band" thing in their early 20's. They were taking less of a risk than the average college student sinking $100K in a college education and washing out with student loan debt up to their ass and no job to show for it.

 

I know it may seem like early 20's is old to you, but in this day in age people don't really get their shit together until their 30's.

 

They didn't take much risk at all but they did get lucky. Talent played a part in it too.

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Yes, taxes do pay for your assistance. I don't think that makes me a piece of shit. Just the opposite actually. I think you got it all wrong I wasn't saying I am willing to pay for you in a sarcastic way; I was saying it in a sincere way. I think you should get more actually.

 

I still don't believe you live on less than $10K a year with a kid.  It doesn't seem possible. Health insurance? Transportation? Rent? I don't know about where you live but here rent isn't any cheaper than $800 a month and that is for a rat infested shithole. So right there is $10K and that is just rent and nothing else. So where do you live? Something doesn't add up to me.

 

I don't mean this in a bad way but if you can live on that amount, good for you. I think the majority of people think a household income of less than $40K a year is poor, and if you can REALLY make do on $10K (which I don't see how) I can really respect that.

 

 

The reason you sound like a piece of shit to me is because you say it as if you are going out of your way to pay the same taxes that I pay.  I pay for my food stamps as well as you do.  (and yes I understand that you technically pay more because of income ratio, i'm just making a point)

 

I'm not going to list all of my bills for you, but I will tell you that I do not have health insurance and probably won't for a very long time.  rent is $350 a month, which is why you don't know a thing about my situation.  You havent ever seen a real shit hole if you think something that is $800 a month is a shit hole.

 

I know many, many, many, many people who live like me. You don't know a single poor person from what I can tell, which to me, means you don't know anything about being poor, which, again to me at least, means you need to stop bitching about people who make more money then you.

 

If I can accept the fact that life sucks and there are assholes out there who do things with their money I don't like then so can you.

I don't bitch everytime the guy down the street from me makes more money, I also don't bitch everytime someone becomes successful.  I agree that our society is fucked up, and there needs to be something done, but blink is not a very large part of the problem, which is why I don't understand why you care so much about proving to people that they are greedy assholes.

 

 

You act like everything is numbers and money, the world is made up of a lot more then pieces of paper and imaginary numbers.

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 No, not at all actually. They were in their early 20's and that is a time when most people aren't doing shit with themselves anyway. Mark had the idea of being a teacher in his back pocket. They wouldn't have been any worse off than any of the rest of the population just because they were doing the "band" thing in their early 20's. They were taking less of a risk than the average college student sinking $100K in a college education and washing out with student loan debt up to their ass and no job to show for it.

 

I know it may seem like early 20's is old to you, but in this day in age people don't really get their shit together until their 30's.

 

They didn't take much risk at all but they did get lucky. Talent played a part in it too.

 

Really? Driving in a shitty van under shitty weather conditions, usually crashing at random strangers houses who you've met for maybe 40 minutes of a crappy punk rock show is not a risk?   There's hardly any risk involved in that?  Ok then, why didn't you go do it if it's so simple? Why don't I?  Why do the people I know who have traveled in touring bands still end up back home with absolutely nothing to their name, and no viable oppurtunities to them anymore?  Because there's no risk involved? No, there is a significant amount of risk.

Yes people dont seem to get themselves together until their 30s, but that's because of all of the work they are doing during their 20s to get themselves together.  If you aren't working consistently during your 20s, you aren't going to make it on top in your 30s.  So if you take time off of working to be in a band you are going to be far, far behind the people of your same age, unless you're lucky/ talented enough.

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I'll attack Oliver on his bullshit reasoning any chance I get, but shut the fuck up darkarrow.  He wasn't being a dick at all, thats just Oliver.  Him saying for $800 you cant get a half decent place where he lives is true, but where I live $800 will get you a nice ass place, its all about location. He asked where you lived and you didn't answer, he was trying to prove a point.  He isn't bitching about taxes to help you (I didn't read everything in here because 18 pages of bullshit is useless to go through), he was being honest.  In fact he said 


 


Dont use their "touring life" as an argument.  They were from (from what i can tell) a good part of california.  I remember seeing the mtv show about them showing the houses they lived in when starting the band, a house like that in California is not cheap so therefore they probably DID have someone behind them to help in case something went wrong.  It isn't that simple for someone who can't afford food or rent, but for someone who is young with well off parents its a fuck ton easier.


 


I never agree with Oliver or stand up for him, so that says something about your shitty points in this thread darkarrow. Quit bringing up you being poor as a point, I think the majority of us grew up "poor" so shut the fuck up.


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All I have been trying to do is mainly point out to Oliver that he sounds exactly like I do and that noone wants to hear it.

I did let myself get a little carried away. Sorry.

Dayton Ohio btw but I didn't feel that having to say my actual location really mattered since I have no idea where any of you live.

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and not to be a dick dark but I make 2000+ a month delivering food as a side job, so I can't fathom how you can't get a job or two where you make more then 5K a year. Having a kid when you had no money to support yourself also wasn't smart either but I'm not judging you.


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I'll attack Oliver on his bullshit reasoning any chance I get, but shut the fuck up darkarrow.  He wasn't being a dick at all, thats just Oliver.  Him saying for $800 you cant get a half decent place where he lives is true, but where I live $800 will get you a nice ass place, its all about location. He asked where you lived and you didn't answer, he was trying to prove a point.  He isn't bitching about taxes to help you (I didn't read everything in here because 18 pages of bullshit is useless to go through), he was being honest.  In fact he said 

 

Dont use their "touring life" as an argument.  They were from (from what i can tell) a good part of california.  I remember seeing the mtv show about them showing the houses they lived in when starting the band, a house like that in California is not cheap so therefore they probably DID have someone behind them to help in case something went wrong.  It isn't that simple for someone who can't afford food or rent, but for someone who is young with well off parents its a fuck ton easier.

 

I never agree with Oliver or stand up for him, so that says something about your shitty points in this thread darkarrow. Quit bringing up you being poor as a point, I think the majority of us grew up "poor" so shut the fuck up.

 

 

Thanks Reefer! Damn you've never defended me like that in the 10 years you've been here. I better not get use to it.

 

But your points are spot on. I wasn't trying to be an ass.

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and not to be a dick dark but I make 2000+ a month delivering food as a side job, so I can't fathom how you can't get a job or two where you make more then 5K a year. Having a kid when you had no money to support yourself also wasn't smart either but I'm not judging you.

 

 

Aren't you in NYC though? It really is all about location. $2K a month delivering food is a shitload of money where I am living in Delaware.

 

I guess money truly is relative. I was on another message board where people were talking about incomes and the consensus was people making under $50K a year shouldn't have kids. That $150K a year is struggling. I found that very offensive, just as I am sure darkarrow finds my idea that you can't live on $10K a year offensive.

 

But seriously, $10K a year. I can't imagine that. Just like I can't imagine struggling at $150K a year. Unless they mean "struggling to pay for their 5 beroom house and their two BMW's".

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Yeah once again I apologize. I didn't mean to try to get sympathy or anything. I lost track a bit of what my point was supposed to be.

I have made a lot of mistakes in my life but I accept them. Yes having a kid as a teenager was a bad idea but it wasn't exactly like I planned on having him. He's the greatest little boy in the world and I can say that even though I am broke living in below average means, I take care of him and it is slightly offensive to me that people think that people do not live like this.

There are a lot like me and we do ok. We don't care nearly as much about money as the rest of the world does. We care about our families much more.

This will (hopefully) be my last post in this thread.

I just think that you could use more perspective yourself Oliver. Because I also understand that even though I may be down on my luck, there are always people that need more, and if I am not willing to help everyone below me, how can I continuously complain about the people above me who are not willing to help?

The thing that blink gives people that no one else can is hope. I hope I can get out of my crappy town and make it somewhere. And knowing that there are ways to become successful outside of the normal routine of work, college, work til you're 70, die, makes me feel a little better about my situation.

I do not agree with the way this country, or this world, is ran but I don't see blink as really being a big part of the problem. I just feel that your efforts could be better used elsewhere.

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All I have been trying to do is mainly point out to Oliver that he sounds exactly like I do and that noone wants to hear it.

I did let myself get a little carried away. Sorry.

Dayton Ohio btw but I didn't feel that having to say my actual location really mattered since I have no idea where any of you live.

I live in Northern Kentucky and work in Mason which is only about 30-35 minutes from Dayton. Which is the same drive I make from Northern Kentucky to get there every day. I manage a call center and my company is constantly growing and adding more staff even in a bad economy. All around my work area and where I live I always see signs for people hiring, If you are willing to travel there are opportunities out there but you have to go out and find them. I myself have 3 employees who make the commute from Dayton everyday.

 

As others have said a lot of people don't get their acts together until their 30's, but I on the other hand went right out of high school to working for 5/3 Bank (now my division split off and became Vantiv)doing a simple/mindless job on weekends and second shift. Even though it was mindless and simple I kept at it, I mastered it, I showed my worth and was given more stuff to do. I mastered that, again showed my worth and started doing technical support, again progressed and became a team lead over the escalations area, then moved to the installation team as a team lead, installing new merchants for processing after about 4 years of that position, I was called back to my roots in the call center to come back and manage where I've been managing for about a year and a half now. My point is you've got to be willing, give a lot, to get a little back. I started out at 9.00 an hour there and in 8 years time I now make almost 30.00 an hour but I worked my ass off to get where I am at. I hear from my employees all the time that they aren't making enough and I have to go through this same thing with them all the time. You have to show your worth to a company, be willing to take on more tasks, etc and then the rest will take care of itself over time. I went 4 1/2 years without a single raise but I was doing a ton of work that would merit and increase when they felt it was time to give one to me and it paid off.

 

I don't know your particular circumstances but I am not far from your area and I know there are opportunities out there for those that truly want to seek them. I usually don't get roped into these conversations but with you being so close I felt like it was necessary.

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Victor, do you even read what I write? Obviously not. I have said MANY  TIMES that I have no problem with people making money. For example: Blink selling tickets at a reasonable price to their shows and making $150K isn't greed. Tom Delonge charging a fan $500 to meet him is!!! Having a signature guitar is, having VIP seats is!

 

Do you see the difference? :<img src=:'>

 

I am  different from the second example because while I do make money just like Tom I don't do ridiculous things for money I don't need. I have never once in my life set out to exploit a situation I am in for money NEVER, and I've had the opportunity. I get my published book for $2.50 and sell it for exactly that even thought I could easily seel it for $10 or $12. Why don't I? Because I don't screw people out of money I don't need.

 

See the difference yet? :<img src=:'>

 

 

Yeah, part of the reason where people are in life is because of their decisions. But like I said it is a FACT that the middle class is shrinking. That has NOTHING to do with people not working hard.

 

I find it really sad that you are apparently a compassionate person yet you continue to make up bullshit excuses as to why it is ok for someone to own a $5 million home while someone else is dying of hunger. You have no compassion for humans as far as I can tell.

 

 

You're a fucking ass and a half, you know that? And no, that's not a personal attack, but it's because you offend people in such deeper, profound ways, and then you hold your guise on moral ground because you are doing it since you have so many facts and points that are objectively and inherently true. I cannot believe the hypocrisy taht comes out of a guy who's main defense is that everyone makes "personal attacks" and you, and then you turn around and in at least several posts now, have told met hat I have no compassion for humans, I don't care about people who are suffering, etc. Fuck you Oliver. I stare suffering people in the eyes every fucking day, don't tell me what I am not just because of what I choose not to bitch and moan about on a message board.

 

Arguing with you is like those times when you go "Man, I ate too much of that last time and then I vomited .. but maybe this time will be different".. and then it happens again. I don't have time for this anymore, and for the rest of the boards it's a major eye sore. I've made many arguments about why this is NOT a blink-182 issue, so it doesn't to be on here pissing everybody else like some sort of anal abscess that hurts a little bit if you just touch it. 

 

1. Nobody gives a rats ass that you saved 15 cents by not selling out your book or whatever the fuck. It does NOT compare. Have you ever won a dollar at the lottery? Have you ever won $999999999 at the lottery? Because trust me, they are qualitatively different. Synergistically different. Exponentially different. 

 

2. Watch taht video posted above. There are more nuances to fucking life than just "x dollars = this much bad". Do you only have the ability to reason about the world like a 14 year old? Meet and greets are Tom's new model or idea for making money. Do you know how much money Tom LOSES giving his albums away for free?  Honestly, do you? Or giving an entire movie he made for 10 years away for like a few bucks? $500 for like 50 kids barely even covers it. You've got to make some sort of money somewhere, at least for the band and the continuation of his projects, for his companies, for the people that depend on him. Think about the BIG picture

 

3. Ridiculousness is relative. To an little african kid he might think that buying dinner at a restaurant for 15 bucks is ridiculous. My point was it is all relative within your income bracket, the problem is nobody goes outside of their comfort zone or makes a DIFFERENCE on a large scale. 

 

4. If you cared about this a much as you say, compared to how little I or anybody else does, then why don't you do more about it? I'm fucking serious. Why not? This isn't me being facetious. I have many worldly issues I care about, I'm out there doing em as opposed to writing on a message board. C'mon. Step up, Oliver. I'm not saying youre  wrong that income inequality is wrong, I'm saying that this is not the time, place, or method for making any sort of difference. 

 

Let me leave you with a quote from an old post. I'm not in the mood to repeat myself like a broken record anymore.

 

 

 Lastly, just because I don't want to talk about blink and money doesn't mean that I am okay with poor people suffering. Are you fucking kidding me? Seriously, that is the shittiest logic I've ever encountered. There's a time and place for everything. Just because I don't post about animal abuse, doesn't mean okay with it. I don't post about racism, doesn't mean I'm okay with it. I actually do care about poor people, that's actually one of my main clinical interests in my training and career. But hey, you don't hear about that here, because this isn't the place for it. Also, when I focus on that in my outside life, I can actually DO shit about it, rather than whining about it on a message board. But hey, that's just me. Different strokes for different folks I suppose. If you somehow manage to make a lick of change for wealth inequality by pissing people off on the internet, then I will be the first to apologize.
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