"The Sum 41 Thread"

[Melty Mark]

I completely agree vic. good post

 

I think most of this was a knee jerk reaction from Beth and her crony Kyle (   ) reading too far into what I said for the sake of arguing with me.

 

I would have appreciated being on my own there, A, and B, this issue of a man in his 30s having liver and kidney failure due to drinking goes beyond "life without booze would be boring, just moderate!" when some people can't. It was irritating to me and I didn't appreciate the implication that he did this intentionally and was just unintelligent for not being better and drinking like a normal person. Alcoholics don't drink like normal people, if they start drinking they cannot complete that in a normal way. Having to sit on your hands and count your drinks doesn't count as being a healthy drinker, some people don't have to pay attention to how much they drink and it has little impact on their lives, but for others it's a huge destructive fucking deal.

 

And like I said, and like vic said, there's a bunch of factors, this conversation devolved as Mike identified that it's all about how you drink when you're a kid, which still makes no sense to me but whatever.

[MSandt]

Great, so now we're equating alcoholics and pedophiles. This board harbours some real stone age characters.

 

I'm just going to come right out and ask you if you feel like you're responsible for what you're sexually attracted to? Blondes? Brunettes? Big girls? Girls with large breasts? Men with thick, defined penises? What is it?

 

Whatever it is, do you feel it's a choice? Probably not. You probably just like what ya like. 

 

Now consider pedophiles. Do they have a choice? Well yes of course, there are numbers in there that have 'chosen' to have relations with underage partners. These men are sick, there can be no denying it.

 

But of course, consider the torture of only being sexually attracted to children? I feel men and women like that need help.

 

But of course, we are merely human. As all have said, it's not simply nature, but nurture too, so many factors, all that biology. I'll say at this point that I was somewhat playing devil's advocate, but I still think it's something to consider.

I don't disagree with any of that. Sexuality is not chosen but actions are. I was not trying to put any kind of a moral equivalence between alcoholics and pedophiles but merely highlighting that acting on one's impulses is always a choice.

[MSandt]

Ouch you bring up a good and uncomfortable point for the people on here who will say that alcoholism is not 100% choice. But you are wrong on both counts. Pedophiles are the most vile human beings in society. But truth be told, and people never want to hear this, like alcoholism, that is also a sickness that isn't entirely the person's fault.

So at what point a person's sexuality becomes a sickness? Is homosexuality a sickness? 

I don't consider pedophilia a sickness as such. It's a detrimental form of sexuality. Thus acting on such desires is "sick", but not in the medical sense of the word.

 

What about the ones that weren't sexually abused?

Or whatabout the ones who were but turned out great, even if carrying a lot of baggage for the rest of their lives? Or whatabout the many pedophiles (probably the majority of all pedophiles) who choose not to abuse children?

[thongrider]

People are different.

 

I don't know if I'd consider adults being attracted to children a sickness, but it's kind of messed up. I've heard though that just like (at least assaulting) rapists that the impulse is wanting to control a person rather than attraction to them or something, but I dunno. If that's the case it's more likely a sickness, i think.

[Ghent]

lets all get drunk and fuck each other 

[fElon]

So at what point a person's sexuality becomes a sickness? Is homosexuality a sickness? 

I don't consider pedophilia a sickness as such. It's a detrimental form of sexuality. Thus acting on such desires is "sick", but not in the medical sense of the word.

 

Or whatabout the ones who were but turned out great, even if carrying a lot of baggage for the rest of their lives? Or whatabout the many pedophiles (probably the majority of all pedophiles) who choose not to abuse children?

 

So you are saying someone who is attracted to 8 year olds is not in some way mentally unbalanced? HA!

 

Homosexuality is different. I think it has been proven that people with no imbalances can simply be attracted to the same sex.

 

They aren't the same. Yes, I agree that this stuff involves a certain amount of choice.....but you have to take into account the circumstances behind these choices too. You can't issue a blanket statement that everyone is control of themselves at all time.

 

If you developed dementia and killed someone because you were totally out of your mind would you be at fault as someone who is is stable mentally. You seem to think that human beings are machines with perfect control at all time.

[Ghent]

There are different forms of pedophilia as well. No matter what the PC crowd says, humans are genetically and biologically meant to be attracted to and want to reproduce with very young girls. We are suppressing the urge to be attracted to a fertile 14 year old.

 

Now, those who want to fuck around with toddlers and shit. Completely different animal.

[Melty Mark]

Hooooly shit.

['Ah...Lex']

There are different forms of pedophilia as well. No matter what the PC crowd says, humans are genetically and biologically meant to be attracted to and want to reproduce with very young girls. We are suppressing the urge to be attracted to a fertile 14 year old.

 

Now, those who want to fuck around with toddlers and shit. Completely different animal.

 

Very true, not to mention that nature and biology mean that some girls start menstruating very early, in some cases (rare ones) 9, or 10. Physically, they're ready to have children, but of course psychologically they're about as far away as you can be. The age of consent is there to protect children emotionally and psychologically, even if their bodies are ready to do the deed.

 

You only have to look at the Kings of long ago who would marry 13 year olds. No one batted an eyelid because nobody knew the kind of trauma that could cause, although, there is the other side to it that if society didn't see it as a problem, then why would anybody?

[Ghent]

Yeah, and our life span was also much shorter..if being an old man meant you were 50 years old, the perspective changes substantially.

 

 

 

Hooooly shit.

 

So you're denying that a female who is ready to reproduce is not sexually attractive to a man? Society and updated moral standards make this wrong, biology is fine with it.

[thongrider]

There are different forms of pedophilia as well. No matter what the PC crowd says, humans are genetically and biologically meant to be attracted to and want to reproduce with very young girls. We are suppressing the urge to be attracted to a fertile 14 year old.

 

Now, those who want to fuck around with toddlers and shit. Completely different animal.

That's not pedophilia, that's only pedophilia by law.

[Scott.]

Jerry Lee Lewis married a 13 year old.

[thongrider]

There are different forms of pedophilia as well. No matter what the PC crowd says, humans are genetically and biologically meant to be attracted to and want to reproduce with very young girls. We are suppressing the urge to be attracted to a fertile 14 year old.

 

Now, those who want to fuck around with toddlers and shit. Completely different animal.

All girls are lesbians? Also, I don't think girls can reproduce with each other.

[Speedo]

Jerry Lee Lewis married a 13 year old.

You can't stop love.

[Melty Mark]

Ghent, you're draggin me in, I'm not in this discussion. Just surprised at where it's gotten, that was fast.

[thongrider]

Jerry Lee Lewis married a 13 year old.

It's ok, she was his cousin, they are already family.

[fElon]

Well I can honestly say I have no attraction to any 14 y/o and that isn't just the media telling me its wrong......I really don't.

[Speedo]

That's because his birthday is in August.

[Scott.]

Well I can honestly say I have no attraction to any 14 y/o and that isn't just the media telling me its wrong......I really don't.

Same tbh.

Now 16/17 is a different story. Some of my brothers girl mates are deadly. I swear girls are getting prettier. When I was in school I didn't really care about girls, I would of if they looked like they do now.

['Ah...Lex']

Well I can honestly say I have no attraction to any 14 y/o and that isn't just the media telling me its wrong......I really don't.

 

You should see the way 14 year olds in England dress, it's borderline outrageous. Actually, it's not borderline. It is outrageous. SOOO sexualised.