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17 minutes ago, Olidamus said:

Green day was like, "I guess it is time to grow up and act our age, oh shit, this isn't selling, well I guess it is time to take a trip to hot topic and be 30 something year old men who dress like we are teenagers"

And they never looked back.

But can I let you in on a little secret? Warning> AI

 

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I 100% agree with that but I despise AI so I'm not really the right one to argue, I've never been a green day fan overall anyway. I love some earlier singles and I adore Warning (album) but apart from that I have no interest

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1 minute ago, petros said:

I have to say though I've put on California right now on shuffle after a long time and enjoy a lot of songs! I'm legit excited for the extended version or whatever now.

...didn't you spend weeks arguing with me, saying how god awful it was? Now you enjoy it and can't wait for the deluxe?

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Just now, Ghent said:

...didn't you spend weeks arguing with me, saying how god awful it was? Now you enjoy it and can't wait for the deluxe?

Man I really didn't. You really must have mixed me with someone else. I loved the album when it first came out. Then thought it was boring for a while. The only time I maybe have been talking bad about blink was when Rabbit Hole was released and that's from where your sig quote is from I think. I wanted them to experiment a lot more and they kinda did with some good songs in this album. 

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25 minutes ago, Kay said:

I 100% agree with that but I despise AI so I'm not really the right one to argue, I've never been a green day fan overall anyway. I love some earlier singles and I adore Warning (album) but apart from that I have no interest

Right, to be fair, I found myself singing along to some of the AI songs, but it was nothing special, certainly not deserving of the popularity, and the entire time I was asking myself "WTF happened to this band?", having seen them on the pop disaster tour and being a fan prior to all that shit.

People on here will deny it now, but most of this boards population was head over heels IN LOVE with AI, and never saw GD's move as being contrived. I remember the many fights I had with people on here who would swear up and down that the eye liner and makeup crap was "the real deal" most people bought that crap hook line and sinker. Wasn't until later that most started to see it for what it was.

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2 hours ago, Olidamus said:

Right, to be fair, I found myself singing along to some of the AI songs, but it was nothing special, certainly not deserving of the popularity, and the entire time I was asking myself "WTF happened to this band?", having seen them on the pop disaster tour and being a fan prior to all that shit.

People on here will deny it now, but most of this boards population was head over heels IN LOVE with AI, and never saw GD's move as being contrived. I remember the many fights I had with people on here who would swear up and down that the eye liner and makeup crap was "the real deal" most people bought that crap hook line and sinker. Wasn't until later that most started to see it for what it was.

I still admit that I love American Idiot, and I still don't think the album itself is contrived (for the most part).  I admit that the 2 political songs can get a bit annoying, especially Holiday.  But people acted like the whole album was political and preachy, when in reality it was only 2 songs, and it was what they themselves were saying and doing at the time including in concert, but the reality is, it's about as political an album as Warning is, with exception to Holiday.  I always thought their look at the time was retarded, still do.  But I always managed to separate the music from the image, because at the end of the day all that mattered in regard to the band (for me anyway) was the music.  I don't hate the trilogy of albums because Billie Joe was acting like a drunk asshole at the time, I hate the trilogy of albums because the music is all bland and boring, nothing memorable at all to be found there in my opinion.

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11 minutes ago, M!ke said:

I still admit that I love American Idiot, and I still don't think the album itself is contrived (for the most part).  I admit that the 2 political songs can get a bit annoying, especially Holiday.  But people acted like the whole album was political and preachy, when in reality it was only 2 songs, and it was what they themselves were saying and doing at the time including in concert, but the reality is, it's about as political an album as Warning is, with exception to Holiday.  I always thought their look at the time was retarded, still do.  But I always managed to separate the music from the image, because at the end of the day all that mattered in regard to the band (for me anyway) was the music.  I don't hate the trilogy of albums because Billie Joe was acting like a drunk asshole at the time, I hate the trilogy of albums because the music is all bland and boring, nothing memorable at all to be found there in my opinion.

I will agree that the album is really not all that political, I think it was just the whole "we hate Bush" movement that GD looked to capitalize on, and it was more in the interviews they gave about the situation. They are already starting with Trump. While I admit that some of what they said politically was indeed correct, when it comes to politics, they are pretty much retarded, and I really don't like musicians using it for fame etc especially when their political thoughts are at complete odds with them sucking the corporate dick. Whole thing is so fake.

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Now that Trump will be President, a bunch of bands and artists are going to jump on the anti-Trump songs bandwagon and write shitty and uncreative anti-Trump songs, which will really suck for the music scene because no one will be coming up with original ideas. I don't care if these musicians want money or relevance--if they're going to make an anti-Trump song for money or relevance and it turns out to be a good song, more power to them. But that will rarely be the case imo, considering that jumping on the bandwagon in this case implies caring about profit over quality. An oversaturation of anti-Trump music is the last thing we need. Argh. 

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I don't see Ai as a political record. It just tells you the story of a guy who kinda unravels himself on a rebel phase in order to come back again full of shame and whatnot. A pretty well told story in several shape before them. The thing is that with Holiday they did the same they are doing with the new record: just trying to match it to the times. Then was against war and shit that matched the anti-Bush thing. Now is just the same thing but on the Trump thing. But mostly, they are not political, and if so, is just lame.

I just want some journalist to tell them: if you want to sound rebel and political, then go ahead in full force with a real 100% political record. Just go out and descend to the shit. Let's dive into the mud and stop mocking the thing. You want to be critical with the times? Then have some guts to do it properly. (By the way, that's something intelligent about blink, just stayin away from that).

Other than that, I love their records from Kerplunk to Insomniac, I liked Warning and some shit on Nimrod and Shenanigans.

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10 hours ago, Kay said:

Guys, we're talking about two pop punk bands that have had strings of hits off of 3 power chords, they are both equally terrible, lucky and badass, lets just leave it at that. 

not quite exactly. blink followed in green day's footsteps, and in some regards, deserve their spot in the row (just) behind. dookie was mixed by jerry finn, and has sold over 20 million copies. dookie was certified gold before cheshire cat was even recorded. while personally, i prefer blink's music (overall) to green day, i must acknowledge their lesser, later position relative to green day in the pantheon of pop punk.

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