Patient #48273 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, M!ke said: Well I don't think Kyle is being real about taking issue with the word retard(ed), Patient probably is though. Don't understand it myself, we all know what we mean when we use that word and 99.9% of the time it is never being used as an insult to actually mentally challenged people. The people that actually do take issue with such a word need to just settle down and realize that words change and evolve with time, and just about none of us are hating on those with mental disabilities. As is the case with all slurs, you don't get to decide that it's no longer offensive unless you belong to the group it was originally meant to insult. If you can't understand that, then you aren't thinking critically, but don't call yourself that word, okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M!ke Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, Patient #48273 said: As is the case with all slurs, you don't get to decide that it's no longer offensive unless you belong to the group t was originally meant to insult. If you can't understand that, then you aren't thinking critically, but don't call yourself that word, okay? Well my nephew is mentally challenged, and he's told me that he doesn't think of it as an insult (no one has ever called him that), and he uses it himself to make fun of his buddies from time to time when they're being ignorant or whatever (he's a cool dude for sure). You know how you take away power from words and slurs? You stop giving them power. Retard is absolutely a word that doesn't have the power it once had and most people recognize that, maybe things are different in Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patient #48273 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 That's cool for him and it's fine if he wants to use it, but you can't decide based on one example. Like, there are black people who think everyone can use the "n" word as they like and there are gay men who don't care about other people saying "fag", but that's a conversation for them to have among themselves and it's not for outsiders to decide for them or take one person who's okay with it and assume it's fine all around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M!ke Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Just now, Patient #48273 said: That's cool for him and it's fine if he wants to use it, but you can't decide based on one example. Like, there are black people who think everyone can use the "n" word as they like and there are gay men who don't care about other people saying "fag", but that's a conversation for them to have among themselves and it's not for outsiders to decide for them or take one person who's okay with it and assume it's fine all around. Well I appreciate you trying to tell me how to think and feel and how to use a word. But retard is not like the N word, it was at one time, but it hasn't been for a long time. The power that word once held is not there anymore. Have you seriously ever seen someone that is mentally challenged been called a retard? Probably not, because it simply doesn't happen anymore, my nephew is living proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter. Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 The word "bitch" has no weight in rap, it's thrown around casually. Kanye called Kim a bitch, Hov called Bey a bitch, and Taylor knows this. She only mentioned the "bitch" line now as a last resort for people to stay on her side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghent Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 18 minutes ago, Patient #48273 said: Why wasn't it PC policing when Ghent was calling Kanye's lyrics misogynistic? Also, how come you disappeared from the Kate's law thread? I'm not making a claim. Kanye's lyrics ARE misogynistic. just read them lol EDIT: More sexist and flat out terrible than misogynist, but still Careless whispers, eye fuckin', bitin' ass Neck, ears, hair, legs, eating ass Your pussy's too good, I need to crash Your titties, let 'em out, free at last Thank God almighty, they free at last We was up at the party but we was leavin' fast Had to stop at 7-Eleven like I needed gas (Ouh) I'm lyin', I needed condoms, don't look through the glass Chasin' love, all the bittersweet hours lost Eatin' Asian pussy, all I need was sweet and sour sauce Tell your boss you need an extra hour off Get you super wet after we turn the shower off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patient #48273 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 6 minutes ago, M!ke said: Well I appreciate you trying to tell me how to think and feel and how to use a word. But retard is not like the N word, it was at one time, but it hasn't been for a long time. The power that word once held is not there anymore. Have you seriously ever seen someone that is mentally challenged been called a retard? Probably not, because it simply doesn't happen anymore, my nephew is living proof. I haven't heard it used that way much, but it has happened. I mean, if you don't think the reason the word "retarded" packs a punch is because of the direct comparison to mentally challenged people, then I think you're in denial and just don't want to admit that because it would mean having to think critically about a word you throw around casually. 2 minutes ago, Ghent said: I'm not making a claim. Kanye's lyrics ARE misogynistic. just read them lol I don't disagree with you, I was just pointing out Oliver's weird bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter. Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, Ghent said: Eatin' Asian pussy, all I need was sweet and sour sauce This line is legendary and better than anything ever written by Taylor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghent Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 If by legendary you mean terrible, disgusting, sexist, and racist all at the same time, sure. and I am NOT a PC bot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M!ke Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, Patient #48273 said: I haven't heard it used that way much, but it has happened. I mean, if you don't think the reason the word "retarded" packs a punch is because of the direct comparison to mentally challenged people, then I think you're in denial and just don't want to admit that because it would mean having to think critically about a word you throw around casually. I don't disagree with you, I was just pointing out Oliver's weird bias. Look, you can either needlessly get mad, take offense and think that I mean something awful when I use that word. Or just think for even a second and know that I mean no real harm when I use that word. Your call, but I'm going to keep using that word as I've always have knowing full well I mean no harm regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patient #48273 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I'm not mad or offended. But, I don't like the word and I do like arguing, so fun times all around. Glad you're gonna keep being a shithead though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M!ke Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Just now, Patient #48273 said: I'm not mad or offended. But, I don't like the word and I do like arguing, so fun times all around. Glad you're gonna keep being a shithead though. The feeling is mutual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter. Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 You just can't look at rap lyrics and think of them like you would of other types of writing. Misogynistic, sexist, whatever lyrics happen all the time, it's become acceptable. As I said, Taylor uses this ignorance of people offended by "bitch" to try to have people remain on her side. And it's clearly not working, people aren't that stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patient #48273 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I fully admit to being an asshole, but I'm not a shithead, so you'd be wrong there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M!ke Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Just now, Patient #48273 said: I fully admit to being an asshole, but I'm not a shithead, so you'd be wrong there. I'm so offended! My asshole is a precious thing not to be made fun of, as is my shit head. Think I'm gonna go cry in a corner now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patient #48273 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Just don't rage quit the boards again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Value Man Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 28 minutes ago, _Kyle_ said: can we do this whenever you cry and moan about somebody "personally attacking" you? That is not the same thing at all. I am not condoning personal attacks, I am saying it is PC to go after the word "retarded" 28 minutes ago, Patient #48273 said: Why wasn't it PC policing when Ghent was calling Kanye's lyrics misogynistic? Also, how come you disappeared from the Kate's law thread? Question 1: Because for once I agree with Ghent, calling her a bitch and saying he could have sex with her is clearly misogynistic. Use of the word "retarded" as Mike meant it, is not an attack on mentally disabled people. Question 2: It got voted down, again, and If I remained in that topic, I would have blown a gasket, it wouldn't have been pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter. Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Olidamus said: Question 1: Because for once I agree with Ghent, calling her a bitch and saying he could have sex with her is clearly misogynistic. Use of the word "retarded" as Mike meant it, is not an attack on mentally disabled people. Is it still misogynistic if she clearly says "it's like a compliment kind of"? Here's my question: Did the people defending Taylor even watch the videos Kim posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patient #48273 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Just now, Olidamus said: Question 1: Because for once I agree with Ghent, calling her a bitch and saying he could have sex with her is clearly misogynistic. Use of the word "retarded" as Mike meant it, is not an attack on mentally disabled people. So, someone's only being PC police if you disagree with them? I mean, there was a time when Kanye's lyrics wouldn't have been considered sexist by most people and anyone claiming it was sexist would have been laughed at. 3 minutes ago, Olidamus said: Question 2: It got voted down, again, and If I remained in that topic, I would have blown a gasket, it wouldn't have been pretty. When you inevitably bring it up again, just remember that drug crimes aren't considered violent according to any reputable sources. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M!ke Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, Patient #48273 said: Just don't rage quit the boards again! Was more of a depression quit, my brother was dying. Thank God he turned it around, I may not have returned if things took a turn for the worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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