Chewy030 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, Cheerios4u98 said: Yeah Mark's opinions on sets really bothers me. When I saw them in 2011 one of the main selling points for me was the fact that they were playing four Neighborhoods songs before the album was released. That was exciting. i loved that singing along to the other new songs when everyone else around me just kind of stood there lol, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheerios4u98 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Just now, Chewy030 said: i loved that singing along to the other new songs when everyone else around me just kind of stood there lol, Haha yeah I even recorded a cover of After Midnight before the song was released. When it was eventually released I realized I got some of the lyrics wrong, but oh well. It was super fun singing along to those songs at the show. I would be 100% more excited about a blink show if I was guaranteed to hear new music. Not that I'm ever not excited to see blink, but getting to hear those four songs before Neighborhoods came out was really awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 18 minutes ago, Cheerios4u98 said: Haha yeah I even recorded a cover of After Midnight before the song was released. the reason mark limits the live sets to 90 minutes is so he won't have to stumble home after midnight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy030 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 just had Rabbit Hole come up on my iPod man i wish they've play that one live. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chase Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Looks like a great setlist, but for the love of sweet Christ Blink...YOU CAN PLAY LONGER THAN 90 MINUTES 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Value Man Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 3 hours ago, daveyjones said: the reason mark limits the live sets to 90 minutes is so he won't have to stumble home after midnight. Davey, you knew Mark, was he always insecure? In the early days he seemed very sure of himself, very confident. Yeah? Somewhere along the way he became very insecure about his ability to write and perform new material. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post daveyjones Posted March 14, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, Olidamus said: Davey, you knew Mark, was he always insecure? In the early days he seemed very sure of himself, very confident. Yeah? when i knew him, he was cocky as hell. and with good reason, imo. his band was one of the best in a very prosperous scene, he was single, he was in his mid-twenties. he got a taste of major label advance money; he ditched the shitty car and bought a new 4runner. i would have been on cloud nine touring with bands like pennywise and writing material like waggy, lemmings, and a new hope. if you ask me—and this is just some very weak paperback psychology based on my own experience of being middle aged—a songwriter and performer like mark is struggling to define talent and relevance. how do you write popular music in your 40s when most of your new fans are twenty (or more) years younger? well, you can be omnirelevant like bad religion—who sing about timeless topics—or you can age gracefully and sing about your life as it changes—like the descendents. option one was never right for blink, and certainly not for mark, and it appears he is not considering option two anymore. or he did, in my opinion, with +44, and you can hear traces of it on neighborhoods. in this scenario, mark is like an aging football star, and feldman is the coach, going "you've still got it, cowboy! now go out there and score!" and mark's unsure if he looks foolish in the old uniform or not. and he charges out onto the field anyways. and that's california. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheerios4u98 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Ha, wow. I feel there is a lot of truth to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghent's Brother Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 The problem with that analogy is that Bored to Death was a huge hit and California got a grammy nod. That's more validation from the music industry than Mark has had his entire career. So that's like coach telling him to go back out there and then they win the Super Bowl. This narrative that Mark is somehow embarrassed by California just isn't true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheerios4u98 Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, Ghent's Brother said: This narrative that Mark is somehow embarrassed by California just isn't true. I agree, I don't think he's embarrassed by it at all. He's extremely proud of it. Which has me a little concerned... Mark's embarrassed by his writing abilities despite putting out great music throughout his entire career. Yeah, Neighborhoods was maybe a misstep, but I still think it was good, and Mark's writing/lyrics were definitely not part of the problem on that album. I thought the EP was really great. It feels like Mark is embarrassed of what I consider to be really good music, and that he now seems very proud of what I think is some of his most mediocre work. Still, if all we ever get from here on out is California-caliber music from blink-182, I'll take it. While not my favorite, it's still good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoltan Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, Ghent's Brother said: The problem with that analogy is that Bored to Death was a huge hit and California got a grammy nod. That's more validation from the music industry than Mark has had his entire career. So that's like coach telling him to go back out there and then they win the Super Bowl. This narrative that Mark is somehow embarrassed by California just isn't true. well, you can't be sure that deep in his heart mark is satisfied with an album just because it is succesful. if he's a businessman, he obviously thinks it's the best thing he could make in 2016. but maybe he's still someone who wants to fill his songs with emotions and other intangible values... then he can be a little embarrassed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 31 minutes ago, Ghent's Brother said: This narrative that Mark is somehow embarrassed by California just isn't true. i'm not suggesting he's embarrassed at all. i'm just suggesting the california is an album written by middle-aged dudes—under the direction and influence of feldman—to appeal to 18 year olds. and that mark is kind of stuck, creatively. and that he explored more interesting territory with +44. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghent Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Lol not only is Mark not embarrassed by California, he's extremely proud of it, which he should be. Big success on every level besides a collection of fucktards on this message board. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghent's Brother Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, daveyjones said: i'm not suggesting he's embarrassed at all. i'm just suggesting the california is an album written by middle-aged dudes—under the direction and influence of feldman—to appeal to 18 year olds. and that mark is kind of stuck, creatively. and that he explored more interesting territory with +44. Fair enough. I took the "unsure if he looks foolish in the old uniform" part to imply he doesn't know or is embarrassed by what he's doing. If Mark wanted to release stuff that didn't sound like California then that's what he would do. This is the guy that loves and has had guest vocals on Simple Plan and All Time Low albums. I don't know why people continually seem to be surprised he put out an album that sounds like Cali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ghent's Brother said: Fair enough. I took the "unsure if he looks foolish in the old uniform" part to imply he doesn't know or is embarrassed by what he's doing. i think he's unsure, creatively, yes. and it's my opinion that feldman has guided him in a direction that will lead to grammy nominations and strong sales, but it's material that's less artistically interesting (and thus could be less personally fulfilling). but i still listen to california myself, and i don't have any strong feelings about the matter. for me the discussion is purely academic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghent Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 I think he's in the process of rediscovering himself creatively after being veered off course by circumstances out of his control for many years. I think the outside help has worked to repair his confidence and reinvent his sound. It's not cheating, it's not disingenuous, it's just another step, this time without the guy he has written with his entire career. That's a big adjustment to make. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, Ghent said: That's a big adjustment to make. it most certainly is. and i look forward to their future growth as skiba hopefully becomes more integrated into the group. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheerios4u98 Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 I feel like if Mark and Travis would have known Feldmann better in January 2015 they would have hired him to replace Tom instead of Matt. It feels like they trust him to write music that "sounds like blink-182" more than Matt. Feldmann's fingerprints are clearly all over this album, while Matt's influence seems minimal. Obviously I don't actually know how much of the record was written by Matt versus written by Feldmann; for all I know Matt wrote way more of it. But Feldmann's influence is a lot more obvious than Matt's is. I'm actually super curious how that would have turned out, because if Feldmann was Tom's full-time replacement, then I'm guessing he wouldn't have been the producer. I wonder how different the music would have been, even though Feldmann would be involved in either circumstance. We'll never know, but interesting to think about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Watcher Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Honestly I'm really happy with the combo we have. All 4 of them seem to love working together and that's ultimately what I want for the band. (Plus it doesn't hurt that I like the music they're making ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotNow Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 59 minutes ago, Cheerios4u98 said: I feel like if Mark and Travis would have known Feldmann better in January 2015 they would have hired him to replace Tom instead of Matt. It feels like they trust him to write music that "sounds like blink-182" more than Matt. Feldmann's fingerprints are clearly all over this album, while Matt's influence seems minimal. Obviously I don't actually know how much of the record was written by Matt versus written by Feldmann; for all I know Matt wrote way more of it. But Feldmann's influence is a lot more obvious than Matt's is. I'm actually super curious how that would have turned out, because if Feldmann was Tom's full-time replacement, then I'm guessing he wouldn't have been the producer. I wonder how different the music would have been, even though Feldmann would be involved in either circumstance. We'll never know, but interesting to think about. I guess we'll find out a clearer picture about Matt with the deluxe edition and more importantly the next album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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