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Just now, Diddy Faplord said:

Have you ever heard of quality not quantity?

I don't consider Neighborhoods to be so great in quality, I can find 15 equally good Skiba songs from these albums. Of course I would prefer Tom to be around especially live but the band lost the dynamic they had before the hiatus anyway. Tom in 2004 hadn't gone into Ava mode yet!

Speaking of disingenuous, that describes Tom well. Supposedly quitting for his family and then he starts a new band and tours every year with multiple albums. Tom Brady did the same thing recently, using the family excuse. 

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7 minutes ago, Feeling_This_1 said:

I don't consider Neighborhoods to be so great in quality, I can find 15 equally good Skiba songs from these albums. Of course I would prefer Tom to be around especially live but the band lost the dynamic they had before the hiatus anyway. Tom in 2004 hadn't gone into Ava mode yet!

Speaking of disingenuous, that describes Tom well. Supposedly quitting for his family and then he starts a new band and tours every year with multiple albums. Tom Brady did the same thing recently, using the family excuse. 

I hear ya, I don’t consider NH to be top notch or anything like that. I was just saying in principal, the fact they’ve made music more frequently with Skiba than Tom in his last years with the band isn’t an accurate measure of them being better or better off without Tom. I’m sure it much easier to churn out more songs when you’re hiring so many other people to write them for you.

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15 minutes ago, Feeling_This_1 said:

I don't consider Neighborhoods to be so great in quality, I can find 15 equally good Skiba songs from these albums. Of course I would prefer Tom to be around especially live but the band lost the dynamic they had before the hiatus anyway. Tom in 2004 hadn't gone into Ava mode yet!

Speaking of disingenuous, that describes Tom well. Supposedly quitting for his family and then he starts a new band and tours every year with multiple albums. Tom Brady did the same thing recently, using the family excuse. 

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16 hours ago, Tom Bot said:

If he was, why did they stop making music so quickly? 

we have no additional facts with which to hypothesize. but it's too far of a leap to assume mark deemed the project a failure simply because of the fact that it ended abruptly. i've ended projects abruptly because they were a success and achieved a goal. hell, sexual intercourse ends quite abruptly in orgasm. would you thus characterize the act as a failure?

if i had to guess based on what i know about mark, and based on the lyrics and music on the +44 album, he had things he "had to get out" and personal matters "he wanted to say" and he filled an album with those songs and there was nothing else he needed to accomplish. just like the boxcar album for tom, it was something he "had to do" which was personal and important to him as a songwriter, yet didn't fit with blink.

the project ended, goal achieved, and mark moved on. i suspect when they were demoing material for a second album he reached the conclusion that he was finished with what he had to say in that particular musical voice.

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14 hours ago, Russel Coight said:

There's probably a bunch of fans from Davey's era that don't consider it blink without Scott Raynor.

given the ephemeral role that drummers tend to play in most rock bands, blink with travis is definitely still blink. hell, bad religion is on like their fifth or sixth drummer in four decades.

it's just not my blink. i.e. the band i grew up with.

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14 minutes ago, daveyjones said:

we have no additional facts with which to hypothesize. but it's too far of a leap to assume mark deemed the project a failure simply because of the fact that it ended abruptly. i've ended projects abruptly because they were a success and achieved a goal. hell, sexual intercourse ends quite abruptly in orgasm. would you thus characterize the act as a failure?

if i had to guess based on what i know about mark, and based on the lyrics and music on the +44 album, he had things he "had to get out" and personal matters "he wanted to say" and he filled an album with those songs and there was nothing else he needed to accomplish. just like the boxcar album for tom, it was something he "had to do" which was personal and important to him as a songwriter, yet didn't fit with blink.

the project ended, goal achieved, and mark moved on. i suspect when they were demoing material for a second album he reached the conclusion that he was finished with what he had to say in that particular musical voice.

I see what you're saying and it all makes sense. I partly disagree on the bolded, though. It wasn't really a one-off because Mark has carried his +44 influences over to Blink in quite a few songs, like Kaleidoscope and Heaven. He also used a similar production style with many other songs like Boxing Day (he loves using that electric xylophone instrument in bridges of songs) and HAG interlude, to name a few. Tom keeping BCR separate from Blink makes sense because he wanted to test out a different sound, and based on Travis' book, they got really close around that time and bonded over hardcore music and wanted to experiment with an album like that. Mark and +44, on the other hand, didn't even see Blink as an option without Tom at the time, so +44 (or any new band) was a necessity in making new music at the time. It also should be noted that +44 started out a lot more indie in its infancy, if you check out the demo for No It Isn't. I actually think the demo, with the extra verse added in the final song, would have been much more preferable than what we got. +44 went from very indie and raw, to a pretty standard pop-punk album.  

 

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12 minutes ago, Tom Bot said:

It wasn't really a one-off because Mark has carried his +44 influences over to Blink in quite a few songs, like Kaleidoscope and Heaven.

I actually think the demo, with the extra verse added in the final song, would have been much more preferable than what we got.

 

to the first point, that's creative spillover. i'm saying +44 was a statement, he made it, and moved on.

to the second point, fuck yes. i loved the early demos with carol and had hoped the album would be a kind of rentals thing with some killer moog. still, i adore the (admittedly quite different) album we eventually got. i think some of mark's best songwriting is on it.

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4 hours ago, Feeling_This_1 said:

I don't consider Neighborhoods to be so great in quality, I can find 15 equally good Skiba songs from these albums. Of course I would prefer Tom to be around especially live but the band lost the dynamic they had before the hiatus anyway. Tom in 2004 hadn't gone into Ava mode yet!

Speaking of disingenuous, that describes Tom well. Supposedly quitting for his family and then he starts a new band and tours every year with multiple albums. Tom Brady did the same thing recently, using the family excuse. 

Neighborhoods is better than everything they've done with Skiba. It's worst track, This IS Home is on par with the majority of California and Nine. 

And Neighborhoods is low in my rankings. Quality over quantity for definite. 

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2 minutes ago, Kay said:

Neighborhoods is better than everything they've done with Skiba. It's worst track, This IS Home is on par with the majority of California and Nine. 

And Neighborhoods is low in my rankings. Quality over quantity for definite. 

Neighborhoods as a whole and its songs  surely are far more polarizing. This is home (and when i was young) are probably my favorite reunion songs. probably shows how different us fans see it

Cali was all about getting the classic blink fix we all delonged for since summer 01. I don't think anybody suggests it's an album that grows on you, unfortunately rather the oppsite since there is just much too much filler material. I do think though that deluxe was a big step up and that nine is the bands best work since 03. I do hope some of the fanbases criticisms and concerns are heard and we get more "pure" blink, i.e. less song writers and more Skiba.  Nobody denies that the man can write killer lyrics and guitar riffs and is there seriously any poppunk fan that didn't have bored to death on repeat upon release?

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2 minutes ago, Depf said:

Neighborhoods as a whole and its songs  surely are far more polarizing. This is home (and when i was young) are probably my favorite reunion songs. probably shows how different us fans see it

Cali was all about getting the classic blink fix we all delonged for since summer 01. I don't think anybody suggests it's an album that grows on you, unfortunately rather the oppsite since there is just much too much filler material. I do think though that deluxe was a big step up and that nine is the bands best work since 03. I do hope some of the fanbases criticisms and concerns are heard and we get more "pure" blink, i.e. less song writers and more Skiba.  Nobody denies that the man can write killer lyrics and guitar riffs and is there seriously any poppunk fan that didn't have bored to death on repeat upon release?

Quarantine was a bit meh, but generational divide definately peaked my interest in a rawer, a bit more 90s Style EP. I would love Madam Me to get pregnant by Lemmings and see what beautiful bastard that produces

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1 minute ago, Speedo said:

I really appreciate your dedication to shitty puns and jokes!

what puns and jokes? i'm totally cereal. 

Listen to those two songs and tell me there isn't untapped potential waiting to be unleashed. 

 

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26 minutes ago, Kay said:

Neighborhoods is better than everything they've done with Skiba. It's worst track, This IS Home is on par with the majority of California and Nine. 

And Neighborhoods is low in my rankings. Quality over quantity for definite. 

Nine is a far better album than neighbourhoods imo. And while I do like neighbourhoods more than Cali I still rate Cali as a great album. So it’s quality AND quantity with skiba blink which is great.

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1 minute ago, daveyjones said:

as i told @Ry-Bread on the 182news podcast, neighborhoods is AVA's best album.

did your locker bugger off to west fuckwad indiana? your threads made me rejoin this forum and now i can't find it. muy triste :(

NH released under AVA would just mean the album loses a couple of its best moments and we get a lot of uninspired droney synths. Unpopular opinion maybe, but apart from kiss&tell, the adventure and rebel girl i can't listen to a single non blink delonge song. his knee jerk cali counter solo album is IMO his most focused and best work. makes you wonder how good of a songwriter the guy still will be when he pulls his head out of his ass eventually. one can hope

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8 minutes ago, Depf said:

did your locker bugger off to west fuckwad indiana? your threads made me rejoin this forum and now i can't find it. muy triste :(

i nixed the locker after the podcast aired, because all the image links were dead and i told all the same stories on the cast.

and yea, i'm making a snarking stylistic comment about neighborhoods being an AVA album. but it certainly helps me understand the record more.

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4 hours ago, daveyjones said:

to the first point, that's creative spillover. i'm saying +44 was a statement, he made it, and moved on.

to the second point, fuck yes. i loved the early demos with carol and had hoped the album would be a kind of rentals thing with some killer moog. still, i adore the (admittedly quite different) album we eventually got. i think some of mark's best songwriting is on it.

I'm still not 100% sold on that. I got the sense that +44 was a band that originally was going to keep going. I think Mark having writer's block and not recording much music between 2006 - 2011, having his show, and if the rivalry with Tom was petty enough (interviews indicate it was) - the fact that WDNTW sold three times as many copies as WYHSB might have played into it.

But yeah, I think an album with production like that demo would have been amazingly different for Mark and Travis. I'm happy with how the record turned out, the lyrics and drums are great and the production is pretty good overall (kinda similar to Neighborhoods IMO). 

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