Harry Butker Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Also, I’m well aware of the layered guitars on recordings. We’ve been over this. I understand there are at least 3 guitsr parts on the outro of feeing this, I listen to the instrumental all the time. You’re kidding yourselves if you believe that’s what is going on in this clip. There is the backing tracks and Tom isn’t adding shit, you literally do not hear anything he’s playing. Shits forever fucking lame. Weird how he used to play it live without backing tracks too (in arenas mind you) but now he can’t. Excuses excuses excuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Butker Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 minute ago, Krampus dildo mold said: Anyone can single out one clip from one show and scrutinize it. Many of us have been to the shows or watched the full shows on YouTube and witnessed Tom’s current state of excellence (for his standards) Excuses, excuses, excuses. It took me two seconds to find that clip. If you think that’s the only time where he’s not playing anything you’re kidding yourself. I might just heckle his ass in Detroit in a few weeks . Hilarious to me you guys think he finally found excellence but yet he’s not playing and relies on the “backing” tracks to do all the work. What a coincidence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Butker Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Would love to see genius Speedo explain what parts Tom was actually playing in that clip and show me where it’s coming out of the speakers 🤣 literally no difference in sound whether Tom is strumming or not . You guys are pathetic. There’s one guitar track being heard in that clip and it’s not coming from Tom’s guitar. This isn’t a discussion about layers and different guitsr tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twentytwenty Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 15 minutes ago, Jan Loves Noodles said: Would love to see genius Speedo explain what parts Tom was actually playing in that clip and show me where it’s coming out of the speakers 🤣 literally no difference in sound whether Tom is strumming or not . You guys are pathetic. There’s one guitar track being heard in that clip and it’s not coming from Tom’s guitar. This isn’t a discussion about layers and different guitsr tracks Probably coming from that guitarist behind the curtains I mentioned last time you were on about this 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Butker Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 16 minutes ago, twentytwenty said: Probably coming from that guitarist behind the curtains I mentioned last time you were on about this 🤷♂️ 16 minutes ago, twentytwenty said: Probably coming from that guitarist behind the curtains I mentioned last time you were on about this 🤷♂️ Either way, it’s not Tom playing and his guitar is essentially unplugged or buried so far down in the mix you don’t hear it. Shits unnaceptable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twentytwenty Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 17 minutes ago, Jan Loves Noodles said: Either way, it’s not Tom playing and his guitar is essentially unplugged or buried so far down in the mix you don’t hear it. Shits unnaceptable to me. If he’s getting buried in the mix you should shift your vendetta to the sound engineer. Ask yourself this, why would he even bother playing the guitar on stage, if he chose to have his guitar muted on the PA system? The dude can obviously play the songs, it’s not like he’s up there on stage playing songs in a different key or wrong chords? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Butker Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 27 minutes ago, twentytwenty said: If he’s getting buried in the mix you should shift your vendetta to the sound engineer. Ask yourself this, why would he even bother playing the guitar on stage, if he chose to have his guitar muted on the PA system? The dude can obviously play the songs, it’s not like he’s up there on stage playing songs in a different key or wrong chords? Because he’s putting a facad on. He has to have the guitar on stage for blink. It’s just a shame 90% of the fans could care less if he’s playing it or not. I agree that he can play the songs, which is what pisses me off because he’s being lazy. That clip is an example that he’s not playing anything that you’re hearing. It’s not one guitar track in the back ground and him playing another guitar track on top of it. It’s just the background playing everything and him contributing nothing. You may not care, but I do. Which is why I said august will be my last concert for them. I’m not paying to Listen to someone hit play on a digital stereo system. At this point, they really need to stop calling themselves a punk band or a rock band, and fully embrace the fact they’re a full fledged boy band now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paparazzi Magnet Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Conflicted here. The fap in me: 1) I do think Tom can be lazy at times. 2) I agree that watching actual playing is really what makes “live” music entertaining. (For example, The Police would suck to watch if they used many backing tracks). 3) I’ve seen videos where there are backing tracks, and I can agree that I’ve watched ones where Tom’s just kinda riding on them. 4) Part of blink’s uniqueness is that they are a trio band and have cleverly made it work so well. The other side of me: 1) Blink is playing large venues and needs to fill in the sound. 2) It’s 2024 and they’d be dumb not to do what virtually every other band in the industry does to put on a production. They are BIG right now. 3) Some of the songs objectively sound better with a bit of guitar backing tracks. Seems fine at the moment but I do hope it doesn’t get out of hand. I’ll personally start getting annoyed when it’s no longer fun to watch Tom play (that’s how I’m going to draw the line). I used to religiously watch old videos of blink and admire Tom’s unique way of playing, and I strongly took note of how he was able to strategically pick out the best guitar track to play from the studio version, or even come up with a compromise riff that you only see played live. “Making the trio work” was part of the creativity in my opinion, and Mark’s baselines certainly played a role too. I can see why a non-guitarist or generic blink fan doesn’t give a fuck and just wants a solid show. I can also see why a musician (especially one that loves trio bands) can be annoyed. Lets see what happens, as I’m sure at some point everybody has a line. Im not concerned about the current status quo, but maybe I am concerned about where the trend is going. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Butker Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 14 minutes ago, Paparazzi Magnet said: Conflicted here. The fap in me: 1) I do think Tom can be lazy at times. 2) I agree that watching actual playing is really what makes “live” music entertaining. (For example, The Police would suck to watch if they used backing tracks). 3) I’ve seen videos where there are backing tracks, and I can agree that I’ve watched ones where Tom’s just kinda riding on them. 4) Part of blink’s uniqueness is that they are a trio band and have cleverly made it work so well. The other side of me: 1) Blink is playing large venues and needs to fill in the sound. 2) It’s 2024 and they’d be dumb not to do what virtually every other band in the industry does to put on a production. They are BIG right now. 3) Some of the songs objectively sound better with a bit of guitar backing tracks. Seems fine at the moment but I do hope it doesn’t get out of hand. I’ll personally start getting annoyed when it’s no longer fun to watch Tom play (that’s how I’m going to draw the line). I used to religiously watch old videos of blink and admire Tom’s unique way of playing, and I strongly took note of how he was able to strategically pick out the best guitar track to play from the studio version, or even come up with a compromise riff that you only see played live. “Making the trio work” was part of the creativity in my opinion, and Mark’s baselines certainly played a role too. I can see why a non-guitarist or generic blink fan doesn’t give a fuck and just wants a solid show. I can also see why a musician (especially one that loves trio bands) can be annoyed. Lets see what happens, as I’m sure at some point everybody has a line. Im not concerned about the current status quo, but maybe I am concerned about where the trend is going. Appreciate the well thought out post. I wouldn’t have much of a problem with it if it was just the backing track just playing one guitar part, and Tom playing another guitar part on top of it (which is what certain board members continue to bring up over and over without realizing that’s not what’s going on). The fact is, he’s relying on it too much to where good portions of the concert he’s not playing anything at all. Certainly nothing discernible from the “backing” tracks. The dude is making millions and sells a signature guitar on top of that, and people here act like I’m crazy for wanting him to actually play live. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Takes - this is jan Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Then don’t buy his guitar dude. Jeez. Isn’t there like some pretentious guitarist forum where you can bitch about this nonsense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Takes - this is jan Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 44 minutes ago, Paparazzi Magnet said: Conflicted here. The fap in me: Never start anything with this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Takes - this is jan Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 2 hours ago, Jan Loves Noodles said: Excuses, excuses, excuses. It took me two seconds to find that clip. If you think that’s the only time where he’s not playing anything you’re kidding yourself. I might just heckle his ass in Detroit in a few weeks . Hilarious to me you guys think he finally found excellence but yet he’s not playing and relies on the “backing” tracks to do all the work. What a coincidence! If you want to look like the biggest fool possible you will go heckle Tom on stage, and be the only one in existence feeling the need to do so right now at that, while 5 people try to figure out what the hell you’re talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Butker Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 10 minutes ago, Krampus dildo mold said: If you want to look like the biggest fool possible you will go heckle Tom on stage, and be the only one in existence feeling the need to do so right now at that, while 5 people try to figure out what the hell you’re talking about. Tom will know exactly what I’m talking about. Can’t believe this dude has the gull to play as little as he does and sell tickets at these prices. I mean that’s fine, he can quit acting like he’s a punk rocker though. Or he should at least shout out Ilan from behind the stage playing everything for him 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Woods Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 7 hours ago, Speedo said: If you would bother paying attention you might learn something. The comments explain perfectly what’s going on. “Feeling This has two guitar tracks going on One’s a rhythm track that goes E-B-C#-A (what Tom’s playing) The other is the main riff” and ”Yes, the rhythm guitars are backtracked and straight from the album recording and Tom is playing the lead and octave parts. Sounds very full live and creates a huge sound.” No ones saying the don’t use backing tracks … Tom usually picks up the lead guitar. You don’t hear this on older songs, before Untitled because there’s no need to do it. The songs were linear … they stopped being linear with Untitled. It’s why their song changed so much. Their songs are no longer just one guitar layered, their songs are made up of several different guitar parts making up the melody … they do this with bass as well … Feeling This is a good example … the studio version of Feeling This has two different basses going … this is something Mark does a lot. Make plays the bass live to Feeling This with the rhythm bass line instead of the lead bass that’s recorded. The lead guitar of Feeling This is what Tom plays but the backing tracks are what fatten up the song for the live perform … if you didn’t it would just sound tinny and weak because Tom is played octave runs and Marks bass is relatively jangly. An alternative to backing tracks is to pay touring musicians to play those parts like they used to do in prior decades but that’s expensive and modern technology has made it unnecessary. Keep the money, and use backing tracks … Travis is already playing to a click anyway, just punch them in. It’s a timed showed with all sort of pyro and blasts and lasers, it’s an event for entertainment at this point, not a basement show. In fact when he plays older songs the main guitar part is still all in his hands: https://www.reddit.com/r/Blink182/comments/1e9ggeq/proof_tom_isnt_faking_his_guitar_he_messes_up_mms/ Sometimes - as in the case of the Feeling This video - he's a bit lazy and just lets the backing track do the work. Something has certainly changed over time: for example in 2011, after the intro, he also played the entire main guitar part of GOTD: https://youtu.be/bGeRnqhHa4w?t=94 Nowadays, however, at the same point he limits himself to making light "touches" on the guitar, leaving the backing track to play the main riff: https://youtu.be/l0aGMhxo4O4?t=96 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twentytwenty Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 I know things about Tom and backing tracks but bro code 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Fap honey, it’s time for a lil break. Have a snack, chill out, then come back. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kyle_ Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 3 hours ago, Kay said: Fap honey, it’s time for a lil break. Have a snack, chill out, then come back. jerry jones got to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedo Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 I’m real proud of this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarJarBlinks Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 12 hours ago, Paparazzi Magnet said: The fap in me: 1) I do think Tom can be lazy at times. 2) I agree that watching actual playing is really what makes “live” music entertaining. (For example, The Police would suck to watch if they used many backing tracks). 3) I’ve seen videos where there are backing tracks, and I can agree that I’ve watched ones where Tom’s just kinda riding on them. 4) Part of blink’s uniqueness is that they are a trio band and have cleverly made it work so well. The other side of me: 1) Blink is playing large venues and needs to fill in the sound. 2) It’s 2024 and they’d be dumb not to do what virtually every other band in the industry does to put on a production. They are BIG right now. 3) Some of the songs objectively sound better with a bit of guitar backing tracks. reasonable take. It pisses me off a bit because it's just more evidence of Tom's laziness; there is no reason he can't play some of this shit better live. But he's giving effort in other areas. It's a "stay tuned" situation for me. They do sound great live right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Butker Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, JarJarBlinks said: reasonable take. It pisses me off a bit because it's just more evidence of Tom's laziness; there is no reason he can't play some of this shit better live. But he's giving effort in other areas. It's a "stay tuned" situation for me. They do sound great live right now. Define “live” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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