Dude Ranch Demo Tape?

[loserkidsrabbit]

On 3/27/2021 at 1:08 PM, OrganGrinderX182 said:

Not surprising in the least, that dudes always-sucked.tk 

Hahaha. 

 

 

But overall its a shame. That was a very good quality version of them demos. And so the search continues.

[bradsonemanband]

Sucks that we got sooooo close to having these... the dude should have leaked them anonymously rather than going straight through Mark who notoriously hates releasing demos of old stuff. Bummer. 

[Brannigan]

17 minutes ago, bradsonemanband said:

Sucks that we got sooooo close to having these... the dude should have leaked them anonymously rather than going straight through Mark who notoriously hates releasing demos of old stuff. Bummer. 

Does he Really?

[daveyjones]

1 hour ago, bradsonemanband said:

the dude should have leaked them anonymously

@veeRob would have never done that. he was good friends with mark for quite some time. plus his copy is like a multi-generation dub and in no shape for any kind of release.

[daveyjones]

6 minutes ago, Ash-517 said:

Also wasn't there some issue with whether they recorded the DR demos with label money, thus preventing them from being able to legally release them?

the particulars (which seem to involve kung fu records) are unclear. although @blinkstillrulesis in contact with joe vandal, who has been helpful with many other matters.

[veeRob]

14 minutes ago, daveyjones said:

@veeRob would have never done that. he was good friends with mark for quite some time. plus his copy is like a multi-generation dub and in no shape for any kind of release.

Yeah it's not my property to give out, even leak. As it has become clear I'm the only one left holding the demo, it'd be pretty obvious that it was me leaking it. AND it's against the band's wishes? Yeah, sorry guys.

[blinkstillrules]

11 hours ago, Ash-517 said:

I mean considering the only demo that is commercially available is the Buddha remaster (and some people consider Buddha an album, not a demo) then I'd say he isn't very open with releasing demos. Also wasn't there some issue with whether they recorded the DR demos with label money, thus preventing them from being able to legally release them? Either way I think it's in Mark's nature to look ahead to new things rather than spend much time worrying about an old demo he recorded over 20 years ago. I'd like to think we can hear them some day but I'm not counting on it at the moment.

I've accepted I'm never going to hear the DR demos, which is a massive disappointment.

[Q182]

5 hours ago, blinkstillrules said:

I've accepted I'm never going to hear the DR demos.

Me as well. It’s a huge bummer, even though it’s only a demo tape in the grand scheme of things. I understand there’d be quite a few hurdles to leap in order for a proper release to happen.

[bradsonemanband]

@veeRob It totally makes sense why you didn't leak the tape. I respect that decision. Can you at least describe the unreleased song? Mark mentioned that it's a song that they ended up borrowing a few parts of and put into other songs. I'd love to know what exactly from that song we've all actually heard. 

[veeRob]

Just now, bradsonemanband said:

@veeRob It totally makes sense why you didn't leak the tape. I respect that decision. Can you at least describe the unreleased song? Mark mentioned that it's a song that they ended up borrowing a few parts of and put into other songs. I'd love to know what exactly from that song we've all actually heard. 

What a great idea! I can absolutely describe it. And I completely disagree with Mark's assessment that the pieces were used in other songs.

00:00 A classic Tom style slow riff starts the song

00:15 Drums and bass are added

00:40 Song speeds up, just drums and bass

00:47 Guitar kicks in with a tasty Tom style riff

00:56 Tom sings the first verse

01:12 Song switches to half time as Tom sings the first chorus

01:20 Song switches back to full speed as Tom sings the second half of the chorus

01:27 Back to the tasty Tom riff from the intro

01:35 Tom sings the second verse

01:51 Tom sings the second chorus

02:07 Song slows back down and it's just bass and drums

02:16 Mark sings a one-line hook repeating with a single guitar added

02:25 Tom sings the first line of the first verse on top of Mark's repetitive hook (my favorite part)

02:33 Overlapping vocals continue but speed increases

02:42 Tom sings the chorus a third time, and the tasty Tom riff comes in over the second half

03:00 End of song

 

 

[bradsonemanband]

1 hour ago, veeRob said:

What a great idea! I can absolutely describe it. And I completely disagree with Mark's assessment that the pieces were used in other songs.

00:00 A classic Tom style slow riff starts the song

00:15 Drums and bass are added

00:40 Song speeds up, just drums and bass

00:47 Guitar kicks in with a tasty Tom style riff

00:56 Tom sings the first verse

01:12 Song switches to half time as Tom sings the first chorus

01:20 Song switches back to full speed as Tom sings the second half of the chorus

01:27 Back to the tasty Tom riff from the intro

01:35 Tom sings the second verse

01:51 Tom sings the second chorus

02:07 Song slows back down and it's just bass and drums

02:16 Mark sings a one-line hook repeating with a single guitar added

02:25 Tom sings the first line of the first verse on top of Mark's repetitive hook (my favorite part)

02:33 Overlapping vocals continue but speed increases

02:42 Tom sings the chorus a third time, and the tasty Tom riff comes in over the second half

03:00 End of song

 

 

Wow! So cool! Thank you for the description! Now I’m even more bummed we will probably never hear it since you don’t agree that they recycled any of it for other songs. Haha.

Is there a song or two in their discography that you’d compare it to? Or, if it was on Dude Ranch, where would you place it in an album ranking? Top/middle/low?

And is that the only song on the demo tape we haven’t heard? I’ve read some conflicting info that there may be a second unreleased song on it?

[veeRob]

7 minutes ago, bradsonemanband said:

Wow! So cool! Thank you for the description! Now I’m even more bummed we will probably never hear it since you don’t agree that they recycled any of it for other songs. Haha.

Is there a song or two in their discography that you’d compare it to? Or, if it was on Dude Ranch, where would you place it in an album ranking? Top/middle/low?

And is that the only song on the demo tape we haven’t heard? I’ve read some conflicting info that there may be a second unreleased song on it?

There's the alternate version of Voyeur that never saw the light of day either. The overall concept of the song is the same but the lyrics and music are different.

The untitled one I just described is really a great track. Some parts probably were used in other songs, but I have never really felt a for sure "yeah that's from that untitled track" feeling, which is what Mark makes it seem like. I could be totally wrong on that. Parts feel like some other tracks, but that's true of that era of Blink in general. Most of Tom's little licks sounds similar or have a similar picking style, at least.

It's hard to compare the track against the rest as I heard the others so many more times with such better production. Nonetheless, I think the track is great. The song as a whole probably isn't that special, but it's all a build-up to the overlapping Mark & Tom vocals. To me, that's one of the things that made Blink so special. Pathetic is similar in the part where Mark rings out "This is where I belonggggggg...." and Tom sings "I think I'm different..." on top. For me, the unreleased track would at least be middle of the pack. Everyone's got their own tastes, though.

[bradsonemanband]

53 minutes ago, veeRob said:

There's the alternate version of Voyeur that never saw the light of day either. The overall concept of the song is the same but the lyrics and music are different.

The untitled one I just described is really a great track. Some parts probably were used in other songs, but I have never really felt a for sure "yeah that's from that untitled track" feeling, which is what Mark makes it seem like. I could be totally wrong on that. Parts feel like some other tracks, but that's true of that era of Blink in general. Most of Tom's little licks sounds similar or have a similar picking style, at least.

It's hard to compare the track against the rest as I heard the others so many more times with such better production. Nonetheless, I think the track is great. The song as a whole probably isn't that special, but it's all a build-up to the overlapping Mark & Tom vocals. To me, that's one of the things that made Blink so special. Pathetic is similar in the part where Mark rings out "This is where I belonggggggg...." and Tom sings "I think I'm different..." on top. For me, the unreleased track would at least be middle of the pack. Everyone's got their own tastes, though.

That's awesome man! Thanks for answering my dorky questions, haha. 

[bradsonemanband]

Still so disappointed this demo tape hasn't seen the light of day yet... Siiiiigh

[alkalinetrio1sbetter]

Can someone who has the lossless rip share it? It's stupid to not share it with the community b/c of your own personal fears of bootlegging. This is why people who own rare shit like this who refuse to share it shouldn't own it, stuff like this should be shared among the fans/community. It's an asshole of a move

[daveyjones]

13 hours ago, alkalinetrio1sbetter said:

Can someone who has the lossless rip share it? It's stupid to not share it with the community b/c of your own personal fears of bootlegging. This is why people who own rare shit like this who refuse to share it shouldn't own it, stuff like this should be shared among the fans/community. It's an asshole of a move

rob isn't sharing the tape out of respect for mark, who doesn't want it distributed.

it's an asshole of a move to show up in a community where people have posted thousands of times, and the first thing you post is to call someone who was a personal friend of mark an asshole.

fuck right off, thanks.

[veeRob]

43 minutes ago, daveyjones said:

fuck right off, thanks.

To be fair, I can be an asshole. :/

[daveyjones]

15 hours ago, veeRob said:

To be fair, I can be an asshole. ?

absolutely rob. but i didn't want to say the quiet part out loud. ?

[box182]

I was looking my CD digital collection of blink 182 and just noticed that my CDrip downloaded years ago is by davidjones of this forum. I am talking about the hapanese Cheshire Cat and the Wasting time EP