Dude Ranch Demo Tape?

[Speedo]

1 minute ago, Feeling_This_1 said:

@Patient #48273 can you direct your boy Speedo to a Jimmy Eat World topic please. He has claimed he's not interested in the Dude Ranch demos, doesn't know what's on them and is discussing a different band for 2 straight pages

Nonsense, pedo. I'm totally interested in hearing them, I'm just not really gonna sit here and fangirl out over them. 

[Speedo]

@Feeling_This_1

You know the crabs don't do anything, right? 

[Electrical Substation]

35 minutes ago, Speedo said:

@Feeling_This_1

You know the crabs don't do anything, right? 

I wish my crabs didn’t do anything. Shit burns!

[Speedo]

3 minutes ago, Diddy Faplord said:

I wish my crabs didn’t do anything. Shit burns!

Gasoline and a lighter, you gotta be quick but you can burn them off. 

[Electrical Substation]

2 hours ago, Speedo said:

Gasoline and a lighter, you gotta be quick but you can burn them off. 

I don’t think so Tim

[Speedo]

16 minutes ago, Diddy Faplord said:

I don’t think so Tim

Please?

[daveyjones]

if someone has the dude ranch demos and doesn't want to share them, i think it's pretty lame, personally, but whatever. that's their prerogative. i don't have a right to tell them what to do with their mp3 collection.

what does bother me is:

1.) that blink is a band who doesn't try to connect with multiple generations of their fans and doesn't honor their own creative legacy by choosing to not release deluxe anniversary editions of albums, b-side collections, or copious live records. you know, like just about every other band in the rock genre. mark and tom have always been forward thinking and almost never backward thinking. in fact, the only reason blink re-released buddha on kung fu in 1998 was to reassert their ownership of the master recordings and force pat secor's hand (who was still selling the tape through the mail). it had nothing to do with legacy or the fans. it's the same with live sets... just about every other band in the rock genre peppers their sets with deep cuts. not blink. they forget a song like "touchdown boy" or "apple shampoo" even exists. but pearl jam will drop an unreleased song from 1993 into their live performance even today, something off an import CD single or bootleg, just for the fans. like, all the time. it's almost like they give a shit about their own music.

2.) people who openly brag about possessing the dude ranch demos (or having access to them) or anything else rare and unreleased. and then in the same sentence telling the fan community that they would "never share them." it's fine if you don't want to share, but it's rather impolite to wave it in other fans' faces. in fact, it just makes you look like a total tool.

3.) bootleggers who bait that they have the demos by posting little short snippets with audio watermarks on them advertising themselves. i put them in the same category as bootleggers who watermark images of things they found online, pissing on them like a dog marks their territory: these people are scum.

[blinkstillrules]

10 hours ago, daveyjones said:

if someone has the dude ranch demos and doesn't want to share them, i think it's pretty lame, personally, but whatever. that's their prerogative. i don't have a right to tell them what to do with their mp3 collection.

what does bother me is:

1.) that blink is a band who doesn't try to connect with multiple generations of their fans and doesn't honor their own creative legacy by choosing to not release deluxe anniversary editions of albums, b-side collections, or copious live records. you know, like just about every other band in the rock genre. mark and tom have always been forward thinking and almost never backward thinking. in fact, the only reason blink re-released buddha on kung fu in 1998 was to reassert their ownership of the master recordings and force pat secor's hand (who was still selling the tape through the mail). it had nothing to do with legacy or the fans. it's the same with live sets... just about every other band in the rock genre peppers their sets with deep cuts. not blink. they forget a song like "touchdown boy" or "apple shampoo" even exists. but pearl jam will drop an unreleased song from 1993 into their live performance even today, something off an import CD single or bootleg, just for the fans. like, all the time. it's almost like they give a shit about their own music.

2.) people who openly brag about possessing the dude ranch demos (or having access to them) or anything else rare and unreleased. and then in the same sentence telling the fan community that they would "never share them." it's fine if you don't want to share, but it's rather impolite to wave it in other fans' faces. in fact, it just makes you look like a total tool.

3.) bootleggers who bait that they have the demos by posting little short snippets with audio watermarks on them advertising themselves. i put them in the same category as bootleggers who watermark images of things they found online, pissing on them like a dog marks their territory: these people are scum.

I agree with this completely.

Not sharing something like that is lame when you're openly participating in a fan community (it's lame in general. You're just sharing mp3 files). I use the word dick. Doing points 2 and 3 certainly makes you a dick. No one can force someone to release them, but IMO, when you openly flaunt something like that or do points 2 and 3, I see no reason for a community to continue to allow you to be apart of it. Just my .02. I'd love to see a blink community where demos, live shows, etc are all shared with accurate information on them. I'll mention that JEW board again, it was the shit. BTW if anyone wants/needs JEW demos, hit me up, I'll gladly share them.

And yeah blink is dumb when it comes to talking care of the older fanbase. We wanna hear deep cuts every now and then. They also certainly missed a real opportunity when DR turned 20 to do a double disc release: Disc 1 DR remixed and remastered by Tom Lord-Alge like the radio edits and disc 2 the DR demo session with Fitzgerald. I'd easily pay for that. Include some cool photos and notes in the linear notes. Could've done the same with Enema and the Enema demos, even though they're easily available.

[boxelder]

2 hours ago, blinkstillrules said:

They also certainly missed a real opportunity when DR turned 20 to do a double disc release: Disc 1 DR remixed and remastered by Tom Lord-Alge like the radio edits and disc 2 the DR demo session with Fitzgerald. I'd easily pay for that.

this has me salivating

[blinkstillrules]

8 minutes ago, boxelder said:

this has me salivating

Me too. What a MISSED opportunity.

[Coightstradamus]

20 hours ago, Feeling_This_1 said:

@Patient #48273 can you direct your boy Speedo to a Jimmy Eat World topic please. He has claimed he's not interested in the Dude Ranch demos, doesn't know what's on them and is discussing a different band for 2 straight pages

I’d take @Speedo talking nonsense for pages over seeing a creep like you floating around any day.

[boxelder]

2 hours ago, blinkstillrules said:

Me too. What a MISSED opportunity.

25th anniversary editions. they could start this year with CC, continue with DR in 2022... CC would be easy. just release doubletime demos and extra rarities like family next door, etc. i’m sure there’s stuff we haven’t heard from that era, considering the ‘98 issue of buddha had the girl next door cover and don’t, both of which were brand new but unreleased

[blinkstillrules]

1 hour ago, boxelder said:

25th anniversary editions. they could start this year with CC, continue with DR in 2022... CC would be easy. just release doubletime demos and extra rarities like family next door, etc. i’m sure there’s stuff we haven’t heard from that era, considering the ‘98 issue of buddha had the girl next door cover and don’t, both of which were brand new but unreleased

Can try tweeting it to Mark but I doubt he'll care. @daveyjones is right, they don't pay much attention to their past and it's sad.

[daveyjones]

6 hours ago, boxelder said:

this has me salivating

yup, my personal dream too. disc 1: lord-alge remix / remaster. disc 2: fitzgerald demos

[daveyjones]

4 hours ago, boxelder said:

25th anniversary editions.

EXACTLY! that's what R.E.M. started doing in 2008. they just hit 1994's monster this past fall. and i've bought every single anniversary release (even though i already had bought every album in multiple formats). and they're all completely worth it. some are four, five discs. most are two. all remixed remastered. some have a live show on disc two, others have demos.

[radioactive tomdog]

it would have to be mark's decision and he's the last person in the (original) band who i could see agreeing to that. he doesn't celebrate the band's past and i don't think he's ever spoke highly of that album. not to mention a tom lord alge remix would be really expensive. the label isn't going to pay for it and neither is mark. 

[boxelder]

4 hours ago, wannabe corn dog said:

it would have to be mark's decision and he's the last person in the (original) band who i could see agreeing to that. he doesn't celebrate the band's past and i don't think he's ever spoke highly of that album. not to mention a tom lord alge remix would be really expensive. the label isn't going to pay for it and neither is mark. 

facts. i wonder how much it'd cost to get lord-alge to remix something like that. guess there's not a huge incentive since it's a 20+ year old record

[Q182]

On 2/20/2020 at 2:19 PM, daveyjones said:

heard but not enjoyed. the demos are way better. the mix and mastering on dude ranch sucks. trombino was the wrong call. but, tom was in love with static prevails.

I read in an interview that Trombino was called in at the last minute to produce. Do you know by chance who they had lined up prior to him?

[radioactive tomdog]

22 hours ago, boxelder said:

facts. i wonder how much it'd cost to get lord-alge to remix something like that. guess there's not a huge incentive since it's a 20+ year old record

i believe it would be over 100k to get him to do an entire record. 

[Neal]

5 hours ago, wannabe corn dog said:

i believe it would be over 100k to get him to do an entire record. 

mixing only? where are you getting that number from?