daveyjones Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 if anyone wants to read about the buddha tape drama that went down with pat secor and led to the 1998 re-release on kung fu records, check these out: https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/planet-clair/Content?oid=1066056 https://yerdoingreat.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/how-blink-182-screwed-my-friend-out-of-over-500000/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzz Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 First link doesn’t want to load on mobile, but I have read the second one before... just noticed the comment from “Scott” in the comments though, highly doubt that was him - but interesting if so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njdevils26 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, daveyjones said: if anyone wants to read about the buddha tape drama that went down with pat secor and led to the 1998 re-release on kung fu records, check these out: https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/planet-clair/Content?oid=1066056 https://yerdoingreat.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/how-blink-182-screwed-my-friend-out-of-over-500000/ Honestly just sounds like sour grapes to me. They really don’t owe him anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxelder Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 @daveyjones yeah, i'm not surprised an indie band like blink at the time might repress buddha on a different colored cassette -- that happens all the time now. i certainly think it's legitimate, and evidently more rare than the blacks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thongrider Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 15 hours ago, ChuckDee said: It's the original red tape with the color photo copy sleeve and the foldout insert. My real name is Michael and I played in Jon Cougar Concentration Camp from 1995 through 1997. I replaced John from the Neighbors who was filling in w JCCC after they kicked out Travis M. I played 2 songs on the self-titled CD, all songs on Victoria's secret sauce, all of Cold Piss, all of Til Niagra Falls, and a bunch of other comps and splits. https://www.discogs.com/artist/686650-Jon-Cougar-Concentration-Camp That's me on the far left at Ocean Beach in 1995 with Chris, Clint, and Travis S. after we played an in-store. Being written out of that band's history because I quit probably makes me overly defensive when discussing the past. You google that band and my picture comes up even though I somehow never existed. I tried out for Blink in Aug 1994 because I was 25, bandless, and already a full-on black-out alcoholic. I wasn't making rational decisions, JCCC was faster than my drumming style and I was in that band for over 2 years. It's ridiculous someone who wasn't there in 94 is claiming to be the "expert" but this is the age of Trump where facts are irrelevant. That's crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thongrider Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Njdevils26 said: Honestly just sounds like sour grapes to me. They really don’t owe him anything. Great Descendents references. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave900 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 The boards are really lucky to have members like @daveyjones and @ChuckDee on to discuss what is was like in the early days. Very interesting and entertaining thread. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Fast Die Fun Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 When we’re they trying new drummers out before the EOTS demos era? They were with Scott til then , also Scott is on the pic of the tape shown.... I don’t buy this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Live Fast Die Fun said: When we’re they trying new drummers out before the EOTS demos era? They were with Scott til then , also Scott is on the pic of the tape shown.... I don’t buy this. no, it's true. scott himself has confirmed this. raynor's family moved to reno in 1994, and for a short while, mike krull was their drummer. that was the tryout that @ChuckDee of jon cougar concentration camp went for in the summer of 1994. https://www.amazon.com/Blink-182-Joe-Shooman/dp/1906191107/ from the shooman book, page 24, scott says: "Just after signing the [Cargo] deal, my family had to move. I stayed one last summer, living with my sister, in order to rehearse for the Cheshire Cat recording session which, at the time, was to be my last performance with the band." although some of the facts in shooman's book are incorrect, the quotes from raynor are from the horse's mouth, so to speak. and i don't know what you're talking about with the "EOTS demos era." travis joined blink in may of 1998 and the band didn't demo the enema tracks at DML in escondido until the fall of 1998. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedo Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Live Fast Die Fun said: When we’re they trying new drummers out before the EOTS demos era? They were with Scott til then , also Scott is on the pic of the tape shown.... I don’t buy this. In 1994 when Scott moved away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k u Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 10 hours ago, dave900 said: The boards are really lucky to have members like @daveyjones and @ChuckDee on to discuss what is was like in the early days. Very interesting and entertaining thread. agreed ten fold. @ChuckDee hope you stick around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradsonemanband Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 This is the best thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Fast Die Fun Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 10/13/2019 at 10:24 PM, daveyjones said: no, it's true. scott himself has confirmed this. raynor's family moved to reno in 1994, and for a short while, mike krull was their drummer. that was the tryout that @ChuckDee of jon cougar concentration camp went for in the summer of 1994. https://www.amazon.com/Blink-182-Joe-Shooman/dp/1906191107/ from the shooman book, page 24, scott says: "Just after signing the [Cargo] deal, my family had to move. I stayed one last summer, living with my sister, in order to rehearse for the Cheshire Cat recording session which, at the time, was to be my last performance with the band." although some of the facts in shooman's book are incorrect, the quotes from raynor are from the horse's mouth, so to speak. and i don't know what you're talking about with the "EOTS demos era." travis joined blink in may of 1998 and the band didn't demo the enema tracks at DML in escondido until the fall of 1998. Was this in TFBYM? I haven’t read that book since I was in Grade 10 like 15 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxelder Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Live Fast Die Fun said: Was this in TFBYM? I haven’t read that book since I was in Grade 10 like 15 years ago. the book he's referring to is joe shooman's 2010 biography blink-182: the bands the breakdown the return. it's absolute shit read -- shooman exhaustively covers everything, including single releases, and rarely adds anything of note. but it's worth it alone for the scott interview, which is really enlightening. it's a decade after his firing, and he has a lot of interesting perspective about it: Quote With an indie label there was less pressure and more creative freedom due in part to the relatively minimal financial investment on the part of the executives. At the major, the initial investment was a lot higher so there was more pressure and less creative freedom. Which is okay if you are happy with where the executives want to take you. However, I was always only half on board with the decision to go to the major. The fact that Epitaph wanted to sign us still stands as one of the greatest achievements of my life. I really wanted to go with them, but being in a band is about compromise. Looking back, I mark the decision to go to the major over Epitaph as the point where I was only half-invested in blink. I mean, I was intellectually invested, I recognised it as a smart move financially. But it's like that song says, 'I Left My Heart in San Francisco'. I left my heart in the office at Epitaph. After that compromise I found it difficult to make further ones, and I felt like I was asked to make a lot. Eventually, there was not enough of my heart in the band to justify sticking around. I backed away, I was dead weight. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Live Fast Die Fun said: Was this in TFBYM? I haven’t read that book since I was in Grade 10 like 15 years ago. it's mentioned in tales from beneath your mom, anne's book, but the shooman one has direct quotes from scott, which clarify the timeline a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, boxelder said: ...and rarely adds anything of note. but it's worth it alone for the scott interview, which is really enlightening. yup. it's worth buying simply for the scott raynor interview material, imo. the rest of the book adds nothing new (and is riddled with errors). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzz Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 @ChuckDee can you please hurry back and tell us a good story and sell me the Buddha tape 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeling_This_1 Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 I will outbid all of you! If not I def want to own a copy one day. Glad to know it's real. I seriously need to sell my worthless blink vinyl I bought over the years and just own the holy grail stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blınky Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 1:17 AM, ChuckDee said: Wonder what it's worth. Guess I'll sell it on ebay. Don't sell it! Get a walkman! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njdevils26 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Well this thread has been a massive disappointment. Fizzled out harder than Nine hype has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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