daveyjones Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 congrats @wastingtime it's A BOY! well, three of them, actually: mark, tom, and scott. we'll call kung fu the midwife. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dysentery Paul Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 Hey I’m a long time blink fan and brand hew to the forum. I’ve always thought the Buddha promo was unicorn but it’s amazing that years later we’re still discovering gems like this. Thanks @daveyjonesfor everything 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzz Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 @Dysentery Paul welcome! I have said it before but we truly are lucky to have an OG fan/historian around in @daveyjones. Absolute legend! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
box182 Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 So, where is the link for those mp3s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, box182 said: So, where is the link for those mp3s i just upped to @wastingtime like mere minutes ago. they get the first listen of course. then it's up to them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wastingtime Posted March 1, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 Hey all — link below for the MP3s! The quality is UNREAL. I’m excited to hear everyone’s thoughts. The New Hope demo… I have no words. @daveyjones is going to pop in with some more details! HUGE thank you to Davey for this. Not only for doing the legwork and sharing his knowledge (as always), but also for being a lovely human with endless love and positivity for this band. I’m super excited to have this little tape, but it would be pretty useless without your help, Davey, and without communities like this. Anyway, enjoy!! https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WoMCY098fJ9acgGMwVQfu5dlDiYBs55V?usp=sharing 4 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ash-517 said: Currently listening to A New Hope. Oh my God it sounds beautiful. my single greatest love on the whole tape. made it all worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 new hope sounds like it was cut for uranus. it's that fucking glorious. if you know me, you know this is HIGH praise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzz Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 Wow I don’t think I’ve heard that Voyeur and the quality on these are INCREDIBLE compared to the crappy YouTube versions! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioactive tomdog Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 gonna echo what everyone else is saying here. sounds great and i might even prefer this version of new hope over the album version. makes me disappointed that blink has no interest in making things like this available in an official way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, wannabe corn dog said: i might even prefer this version of new hope over the album version. 100%. it slaps beyond belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioactive tomdog Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 scott's drums are what stood out to me the most on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post daveyjones Posted March 1, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 19 hours ago, wastingtime said: @daveyjones is going to pop in with some more details! HUGE thank you to Davey for this. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WoMCY098fJ9acgGMwVQfu5dlDiYBs55V?usp=sharing for years we thought it was a fake, a rumor, a unicorn! but no. it's real. ok here are all the details for my fellow nerds... first off, with this tape we now have heard all the demo material prior to the dude ranch demo sessions (the ones mark played me in 1996, the ones @veeRob managed to get back to him last year) known to exist. also, @Ry-Bread forget about buddha (~1,000 copies) or even short bus (500 copies). from what i gather these were dubbed for only a small number of industry folks, record store people etc. maybe @blinkstillrules can ask joe vandal if he remembers. but @wastingtime should know that this tape surely has to be the rarest "commercially pressed" blink recording known to exist. cassette side A: cassette side B: RECORDING LINEAGE Denon DRW-585 (through furman power conditioner to eliminate RF noise) --> RCA to 1/8" to iMac (line-in) --> audacity. here is the waveform of all eight tracks: spectral analysis proves the source is not lossy: post processing, pretty standard: - normalization without clipping (top shelf about .5 / -.5 db as you can see) - hiss removal based on blank audio sample, typical four seconds. - track splitting with two second leaders front and back. AND... when i played back, i noticed the tape was not in tune. tape speed error on the original dubbing stage. so i pitch corrected... it was a quarter of a semitone flat. adjusted. all the tracks are now in perfect pitch, standard E tuning now. WAV --> FLAC / MP3 TRACK ORIGINS ETC the labeling on the cassette, though genuine, is inaccurate. i chose to label the tracks exactly as they are presented on the label: 01 A New Hope 02 The Girl Next Door 03 Strung Out 04 Ben Wah Balls 05 Does My Breath Smell 06 Voyeur 07 Wasting Time 08 Don't on the label it says "ALL SONGS WRITTEN BY BLINK 182 AND RECORDED in 1995." first of all, "the girl next door" is a screeching weasel cover (for which ben STILL gets royalty payments! according to @SpinUpSpeedo who is in touch with him). second, some of these tracks date back to at least 1994. my feeling / suspicion with this tape is that it was used to generate interest in kung fu re-releasing the buddha tape in some form. and also to test drive what bonus tracks it might have on it. as we know, those two that made the cut are"the girl next door" and "don't." here are the origins of the other tracks, and how i prefer to name them: 01 Princess Leia (Original Version) - i suspect this is from the 1995 uranus sessions which gave us those three 7" tracks and also "lemmings" and the "good times" TV theme cover. but i'm only speculating based on the sound and the pace of the track. only jeff forest can tell us. i hope @Ry-Bread finally gets him on the 182news podcast. 02 The Girl Next Door - on the final 1998 kung fu records buddha release. i suspect this is a 1995 recording, perhaps the uranus sessions too. it's cheaper to record a bunch of songs at once is why i suspect it's all from a single doubletime session with jeff. 03 Strung Out (Enthused Demo) - this is just the "enthused" demo that ended up on the 1996 australian wasting time EP. that CD's card lists that it was produced by warren fitzgerald of the vandals. @blinkstillrules has info about this directly from joe vandal (joe escalante) but i will let him chime in, i don't want to risk misquoting him. 04 Ben Wah Balls (Cheshire Cat Version) - recorded second half of 1994. same as the album but note the warbling. this tape damage is at the master dubbing level and not unique to @wastingtime's cassette. earlier poor quality rips on youtube etc confirm that it's the same. 05 Does My Breath Smell (Short Bus 7" version). recorded first half of 1994, after buddha. i do not know the session dates. maybe @boxelder remembers the invoice that jeff posted? note the name on label is missing the "?" amend back on for purists. i bought my short bus at a show in 1995 and still have it. i have ripped it to lossless. even with hiss/noise reduction this mastering blows it out of the water. 06 Voyeur (First Version). this is not the "voyeur" on dude ranch. it's the first of three. according to mark from one of his twitch streams, the second one was demoed with other dude ranch tracks. that's the one @veeRob passed along to mark. all three songs are completely different but share the title and some lyrical themes. unfortunately, the source suffers from the same warbling as that on "ben wah balls." to me it sounds like an unbalanced tape head. 07 Wasting Time (Short Bus 7" version). recorded first half of 1994. even with hiss/noise reduction this mastering blows the short bus version out of the water. 08 Don't - on the final 1998 kung fu records buddha release. i find it hard to believe that this was recorded for buddha with pat secor and then cut. by all accounts they were pressed for time. BUT mark's vocal DOES sound very buddha-esque on here (low register, winded, a bit flat). and there you have it! if people throw these up on youtube or wherever it would be nice to credit jo182 as the tape owner and daveyjones as the cassette ripper. but we know internet's gonna internet. we knew that going in. i expect chesh to watermark these and start selling bootleg CDs out of the trunk of a car before we know it. 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastingtime Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, daveyjones said: and there you have it! if people throw these up on youtube or wherever it would be nice to credit jo182 as the tape owner and daveyjones as the cassette ripper. but we know internet's gonna internet. we knew that going in. i expect chesh to watermark these and start selling bootleg CDs out of the trunk of a car before we know it. Davey, this is incredible. You’re the best. And if anyone does upload anywhere, it would be great to also credit the original owner, @John Roundear! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinkstillrules Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 So Joe didn't have much to say regarding the demo sessions with Warren other than he'd have to check with him (Warren). He also suggested I message Warren as well. I did but never heard back yet. Joe did have this to say regarding the Buddha Promo tape Davey just ripped: It was a low budget production engineered partly by this guy named "O". Warren Fitzgerald remixed some of the tracks after we acquired it. It probably cost $100 per track to produce. Dude Ranch was more like $8,000 per track. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 43 minutes ago, blinkstillrules said: engineered partly by this guy named "O". Warren Fitzgerald remixed some of the tracks after we acquired it. we know "ben wah balls" was recorded during the cheshire cat sessions and is the album version on this tape. could joe perhaps mean that the short bus sessions (as we call them) is when all the rest of these were done (first half 1994)? i could buy that. the timeline makes sense, and the variance in quality can be explained by the fact that only some of them were remixed. "princess leia" sounds like a straight up jeff forest doubletime job, for example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinkstillrules Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, daveyjones said: we know "ben wah balls" was recorded during the cheshire cat sessions and is the album version on this tape. could joe perhaps mean that the short bus sessions (as we call them) is when all the rest of these were done (first half 1994)? i could buy that. the timeline makes sense, and the variance in quality can be explained by the fact that only some of them were remixed. "princess leia" sounds like a straight up jeff forest doubletime job, for example. Certainly possible. Getting Jeff and maybe even O on the podcast would probably certainly help clear things up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fattubolard Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 This is awesome!! Thanks again @John Roundear @daveyjones @wastingtime. From what I can hear based off how the drums are eq'd as well as the guitar tones, the first 3 tracks were definitely part of the same recording session and production which I assume is the Warren "demo session" and tracks 4-8 were all likely recorded and produced from the "Short Bus sessions". You can especially note the kick drum and snare difference between the 2 sessions. Another interesting note is this was the Ben Wah Balls recording that made the final cut for Cheshire Cat even though Steve Kravac reminisced in this interview on how he recorded a version during the Cheshire Cat sessions. Maybe the band preferred the original take? Only bummer on this release is hearing the tape warble on the original Voyeur 🙁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 Amazing. Thanks so much for this, much appreciated! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyjones Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, fattubolard said: This is awesome!! Thanks again @John Roundear @daveyjones @wastingtime. many questions and reasonable speculation for sure. i just hope @Ry-Bread get's some podcasts guests going that can shed some light. from what joe vandal said it sounds like all but "ben wah" could be from the same session, and the first grouping you singled out were the ones remixed by warren. in which case it could be they intended for steve's take of "ben wah" to be on here, and the album version was dubbed on instead. i mean, look at the obvious mistakes on the tape label. and our bits of warbled mastering. anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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