One More Time… Pre-Release Discussion

[Ghent Lvl 10]

1 minute ago, NotNow said:

I don’t know if that’s moving the goal post but I explicitly stated even the thing I no longer have an issue with I would have had an issue with when California was first being made. Since they’ve shown willingness to just take pre-existing song ideas on nine that is now my issue that I don’t want them continuing to do and don’t think I would ever be cool with that approach.

I agree that they shouldn't take existing song ideas and rework them. That's crossing my line. But that was not the original debate over all these years.

[thecurseofchris]

We're all aware that back in the day, the popular singers of the time literally got famous off of other songwriters, right? Frank Sinatra is one of the greatest singers of all time in part because of the people whose songs he sang. Obviously, being in a band is a little different than just being a singer, but there is nothing wrong with using a songwriter, especially if you need that one extra thing to push the song from a B to an A!

If this trio can't write a full record by themselves and be confident it'll be top tier, and songwriting help will help it get to that level of confidence, then count me in.

[NotNow]

1 minute ago, Ghent Lvl 9.5 said:

I agree that they shouldn't take existing song ideas and rework them. That's crossing my line. But that was not the original debate over all these years.

No you’re definitely right I’m not disagreeing with that. I just want there to be an actual line and not throw out all standards. I think they crossed that with a few songs on nine not all. 

[allsystemsgo]

This songwriting crap isn't funny or interesting to read. Now it's going in circles. Shut the fuck up already 🙄

[Monkey Chips]

6 minutes ago, NotNow said:

My issue with songwriting is extremely simple.

- it is a problem if the original song idea originated outside the blink studio and the song idea is brought in by an external song writer and then reworked by the guys. There is a lot of evidence this happened quite a bit with nine. Definitely more so than California. Very common in pop that the artist gets pitched ideas by a bunch of song writers from across the industry and labels have banks of demos just like scripts, this is what’s bad to me if this method is still being used. 

- it is not a problem if the guys bring in people for sessions and they work on new ideas together in the studio. I would have said this was a problem seven years ago, but at this point who cares if that’s how they want to work.

True, that's why I never had an issue with it in Angels and Airwaves either... Tom was obviously running out of steam with the L)VE albums (being the solo controlling songwriter for the band didn't help) so having the Rubin brothers come in to not only challenge Tom, but to also contribute to the band so Tom wasn't the sole writer really helped improve the band.

As much as I love "Losing My Mind" from the last AvA album, I doubt we would have even gotten that song if the Rubin brother's weren't in Tom's camp (now Tom might have came up with something similar, but it just wouldn't have been the same without their input).

[Elisa]

21 minutes ago, Scott. said:

In that Travis and Alabama video posted a few pages ago travis says to Alabama when talking about their fave blink songs “what about bad bad news?” which I assume is one of the new songs called ‘bad news’ and Alabama sighs and says we’re not gonna talk about that. I wonder why Travis mentioned that and her reaction. Interesting 

Yeah I noticed that too and it's interesting. I took it as if it was a personal song to her.

[Kay]

Okay, so -

Saw one of the clips of OMT on TikTok and burst out crying.

I guess I am, in fact, there. 
 

The songwriter reveal… blows. I now accept that songwriting credit doesn’t equal “blink took written songs” however, We had numerous interviews where Feldy boy was a main writing force in Cali, which is quite telling.

You also have the fact that basically none of Cali or Nine sounds like Skiba’s writing style much at all. The combo of Feldy writing, Skiba having less input, and a bunch of other cooks in the room is probably why so many of us didn’t like the output.

I am not keen on some of those names, but Rubin doesn’t concern me because Ilan is the one who writes with Tom, not Aaron. Aaron was always more producer based and if Travis is the producer on this, I think logically Aaron was effectively engineering for Tom when they weren’t recording in the same room. Aaron is Tom’s go to record guy, the new Critter was it were. So that bothers me significantly less, because I doubt his input is much more than an occasional suggestion.

there aren’t 6 extra names, and with this being such a vocally personal album to them, which Travis producing no less, gives me hope that it’s primarily from the boys.

Either way, I am will listen to it and hope I like it. If I don’t, Then I don’t. 
 

also - this fucking slayed me so hard considering the context that I laughed enough to drop my phone and mutter “fuck me” and now my wife thinks I’m weird so thanks JarJar

46 minutes ago, JarJarBlinks said:

this is cool but have you seen this?

 

 

[Ghent Lvl 10]

2 minutes ago, NotNow said:

No you’re definitely right I’m not disagreeing with that. I just want there to be an actual line and not throw out all standards. I think they crossed that with a few songs on nine not all. 

I'd be interested which other songs on Nine worked like this. IRWIHY is the only one that has always struck me as noticeably out of their realm. I still like it, but there is a unique sense of commercial pandering on that song for sure.

I'm not going to reject any of their songs because of it, but it makes me view them under a different lens.

[Ghent Lvl 10]

2 minutes ago, Kay said:

Okay, so -

Saw one of the clips of OMT on TikTok and burst out crying.

I guess I am, in fact, there. 
 

The songwriter reveal… blows. I now accept that songwriting credit doesn’t equal “blink took written songs” however, We had numerous interviews where Feldy boy was a main writing force in Cali, which is quite telling.

You also have the fact that basically none of Cali or Nine sounds like Skiba’s writing style much at all. The combo of Feldy writing, Skiba having less input, and a bunch of other cooks in the room is probably why so many of us didn’t like the output.

I am not keen on some of those names, but Rubin doesn’t concern me because Ilan is the one who writes with Tom, not Aaron. Aaron was always more producer based and if Travis is the producer on this, I think logically Aaron was effectively engineering for Tom when they weren’t recording in the same room. Aaron is Tom’s go to record guy, the new Critter was it were. So that bothers me significantly less, because I doubt his input is much more than an occasional suggestion.

there aren’t 6 extra names, and with this being such a vocally personal album to them, which Travis producing no less, gives me hope that it’s primarily from the boys.

Either way, I am will listen to it and hope I like it. If I don’t, Then I don’t. 
 

also - this fucking slayed me so hard considering the context that I laughed enough to drop my phone and mutter “fuck me” and now my wife thinks I’m weird so thanks JarJar

 

Even the unshakably edgy Kay is moving her goalposts. What a sight to behold. 9/19/2023- a remarkable day for the boards

[Monkey Chips]

 

[Fountain of Cum]

Whaddup my Binkl heads 

[kibbles]

Yeah Fuck Face lyrics literally are just one line repeated over and over so if Tim is involved maybe they just used something he wrote instrumentally? 

[Ghent Lvl 10]

4 minutes ago, kibbles said:

Yeah Fuck Face lyrics literally are just one line repeated over and over so if Tim is involved maybe they just used something he wrote instrumentally? 

Can you post that lyric leak again?

[theedge00]

9 minutes ago, kibbles said:

Yeah Fuck Face lyrics literally are just one line repeated over and over so if Tim is involved maybe they just used something he wrote instrumentally? 

We have lyrics?

[DanFramptonSuperFan]

37 minutes ago, Champ182 said:

I'm just not going to look through the most cynical lens until they give me a reason to haha. Skiba said this in an interview about working with songwriters on NINE:

"there was a lot of push and pull from all different sides, and there were a lot of very talented and opinionated cooks in the kitchen from different musical backgrounds"

I just don't get the sense that they are using that approach anymore on this album. I'm sure we'll find out more! But for now I'll assume the best instead of the worst.

Yea and that’s fine, I am not even assuming the worst. I’ve said a couple times now I still believe that Mark, Tom, and Travis are the main contributors. I’m just not going to try and act like someone who has a legit songwriting credit didn’t do anything and were just “simply in the room”, that’s all. I don’t know why anyone would get upset with that take unless they’re trying to reconcile the fact that blink is using outside songwriters. 

[Russel Coight]

Damn. That’s a shit ton of “It’s okay when Tom does it” to wake up to this morning.

[Speedo]

3 minutes ago, Russel Coight said:

Damn. That’s a shit ton of “It’s okay when Tom does it” to wake up to this morning.

I haven’t read any of it. I’m guessing it’s better that way.

[Russel Coight]

1 minute ago, Speedo said:

I haven’t read any of it. I’m guessing it’s better that way.

It’s not too bad of a read if you just skip the Diddy back and forth. Just a lot of goalposts being moved now that Tom is back.

[Russel Coight]

1 hour ago, JarJarBlinks said:

this is cool but have you seen this?

 

By far the best board meme to happen in so many years.

[stupidtallhotgirl]

I don't give two fucks as long as John Feldmann isn't in there.