Feeling_This_1 Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 anyone else agree? there ok for easy songs like blink 182 but for complicated songs they are completely useless. i think if you really wanna play a song right, get the tab booktake metallica tabs for example, unless they ar taken from a magazine or something there gonna be wrong, i think people depend on people and the internet too much on tabs, i was just looking at "one" by metallica and the tab is almost completely wrong, even though it is 5 stars its not gonna do any good if its wrong, wouldnt you rather play it correctly rather than trust a random guy, im not mad at people who make tabs or anything but i think people are becoming too trusting in themwell thanks 4 listening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisisHere Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Totally disagree. Tab books are tabbed by other guitarist not the actual artist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 Ball Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Where to begin on the subject of the decline of musicianship in guitarists......I think I'm going to let this one go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shackelford Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Totally disagree. Tab books are tabbed by other guitarist not the actual artist.And that matter's why? I look at tabs but I also know how to read music and I know a good amount of theory. If more kids could read music than they would be alot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeling_This_1 Posted March 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Totally disagree. Tab books are tabbed by other guitarist not the actual artist.are you sure?i thought the artist told them, i dont think some random person would just release that. i think that the artists give them the music cuz that doesnt make sense that the song could be wrong in the book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shackelford Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 I'm pretty sure the artist only agrees to do the book. Sometimes they may give them the tab but I think someone else does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftindust Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Totally disagree. Tab books are tabbed by other guitarist not the actual artist.And that matter's why? I look at tabs but I also know how to read music and I know a good amount of theory. If more kids could read music than they would be alot better.I can read music and have a good grasp on theory but I still can't work out other shit. I can't do anything 'by ear'.but I agree, if more kids could read music they'd be a lot better, I wish when I started I had learnt the theory first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainwreck Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 I used to have a guitar teacher who did tabs for tab books. He told this story about how he did this one stone temple pilots song once and there was a really distorted part so he did what he heard and he sent it to the publisher. Then he was showing a student later that day and the student was like umm no dude, i saw them on mtv unplugged and they deffinately play it like this... and it was something totally different. to this day the official tab in the book is all fucked up. No, the artists don't sign off on the tabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david to the fifth power Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Totally disagree. Tab books are tabbed by other guitarist not the actual artist.And that matter's why? I look at tabs but I also know how to read music and I know a good amount of theory. If more kids could read music than they would be alot better.I can read music and have a good grasp on theory but I still can't work out other shit. I can't do anything 'by ear'.but I agree' date=' if more kids could read music they'd be a lot better, I wish when I started I had learnt the theory first.[/quote']i'm the opposite, i can read piano music but not guitar music.and i can play by ear. i can also play really well by watching someone play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeling_This_1 Posted April 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 well some tab books say the tab is by whoever the artists name is, so those must be realWhere to begin on the subject of the decline of musicianship in guitarists......I think I'm going to let this one gothat sounded so stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shackelford Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 It doesn't matter if it says the artists name someone else did the tabs. I can sometimes leanr by ear but I'm not the greatest at it. The school I'm at now (Cyber School) had a music theory class I passed will a 96%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corey Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Where to begin on the subject of the decline of musicianship in guitarists......I think I'm going to let this one gothat sounded so stupidhe's actually right. reading a tab takes no talent or skill what-so-ever. even though sometimes i use them, i know i learn alot more by trying to play by ear. or even learning to actually read music is way more respectable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david to the fifth power Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Where to begin on the subject of the decline of musicianship in guitarists......I think I'm going to let this one gothat sounded so stupidhe's actually right. reading a tab takes no talent or skill what-so-ever. even though sometimes i use them' date=' i know i learn alot more by trying to play by ear. or even learning to actually read music is way more respectable.[/quote']yuuup.feeling_this_1, guitarists aren't as good as they were back in the 50's-70's, wanna know why?cause they'd listen to records and play back what they heard.they did everything by ear, they didn't have tabs back then.which made them better guitarists. and if you stopped looking at blink tabs, you'd get better too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corey Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 the men speak the truth. useless post. but i love when i'm right. sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 Ball Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Where to begin on the subject of the decline of musicianship in guitarists......I think I'm going to let this one gothat sounded so stupidhe's actually right. reading a tab takes no talent or skill what-so-ever. even though sometimes i use them' date=' i know i learn alot more by trying to play by ear. or even learning to actually read music is way more respectable.[/quote']yuuup.feeling_this_1, guitarists aren't as good as they were back in the 50's-70's, wanna know why?cause they'd listen to records and play back what they heard.they did everything by ear, they didn't have tabs back then.which made them better guitarists. and if you stopped looking at blink tabs, you'd get better too.Spot on right there.I honestly wouldn't be so annoyed by the fact that 99% of guitarists these days have so little actual musicianship if they didn't act like they were real musicians. In a couple of weeks someone can learn to read tabs and use those tabs to convey songs they already know in their head on guitar. That does not make them a musician at all. It just makes them a musical regurgitator.Example: When I and the rest of my band were auditioning for my replacement I had a few guys come in in that exact same mind set (even though the listing clearly stated "musician to play guitar for session group"), one guy I remember imparticular. He was actually quite a talented person, but far from a musician. We had the music right there in front of them and the band was ready to play with him while myself and the manager just watched. The guys typical response "Do you have this in tab?" My manager was about to throw the guy out of the auditorium, but then I stopped him. I told him to leave, come back in half an hour, and I would give him the tab. Of course I got a few confused looks from the rest of 8 Ball since they know how much I despise guitarists like that. But nonetheless, I went into the music lab, scanned it into Sibelius, converted it into tab, then brought it back. The guy shows up again, I hand it to him. Then I tell him to start playing and count off the song. Of course the band is playing perfectly on time, and the guys confused as hell as to what to do. So of course we stop the band and ask him what's wrong. He says he doesn't know how to play the song. I play stupid for the next few minutes and respond with "but I thought you said you could play tab?" knowing all too well that tab is not a real song transcription, it just shows positional markings. Then of course he starts getting very defensive and starts saying things like "but TAB doesn't show me WHEN to hit the notes". That's when I had to try not to laugh, he was saying everything I wanted to hear to use against him. Of course, I just responded with, "oh, ok so you just need to know when to hit the notes?", I can do that for you. He then seems more relieved because he thinks I'm going to do something and magically make him a musician or something. I go and grab the original sheet music and put it back in front of him. There you go, now you have all you need to play. The guy looked like he was either about to cry or start breaking equipment, either way it was well worth it. I then let the band manager lecture him on how he is nothing close to a musician if he can't understand music, read sheet music, or play with musicians, and how he can't possibly understand why he would want to play as a session musician for him if he can't do that much.If you don't know what a note is, how do you know when to play it? Do you go and ask someone to show you the song? Do you go home and listen to a CD of it? Do you have to depend on basically everyone but yourself? I don't know the number of musicians here who have played on/off broadway, musicals, shows, etc. But those who have know it would be impossible to memorize those things in the given amount of time you have before the show. My transcriptions when I played Grease were over 200 pages of just guitar staves, the full score was thousands of pages long, someone who bothers to memorize something like that rather than just learn to read it is, well not very smart to say the least. Hell, even if you learned every single song you would have to know to play with a certain band, what if the singer said "too high, transpose it down a 3rd" are you going to not play it then go home and relearn it all over again? Are you basically going to do everything in your power to avoid learning how to actually be a musicain? I'll tell you that's a lot harder than learning how to read a simple chord structure, melody line, rhythmic values, etc.In summary: Music regurgitation does not make you a Musician Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve jerbs Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 hmm it seems like itd be hard to play music as you're reading it but i really need to learn how to read music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shackelford Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 IF you learn how to read then it'll make you alot better. I know how to read guitar sheet music but I am much better at bass because that's what I play regularly and took lesson for it. Get a book at your local bookstore and start learning. My friend had Fretboard Logic and he said it helped him alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeling_This_1 Posted April 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 hey your right about the old guitarists, i always wondered why they were so much betterbut i havent even been playing for a year, i still tihnk im pretty decent though and even ive figured out some blink songs on my own, but i play songs other than blink lol, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shackelford Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Learn some Muse. They aren't overly hard but some songs are pretty fast. Leanr Stockholm Syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeling_This_1 Posted April 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 ive been trying to tab "give me one good reaso" but failed i think i got a few notes right but anywayi found the intro to SOALG on my own and the bridge part of Every time i look 4 you: well i didnt just find them out but here they are lol, im also trying first date, im bad at tabbing power chords though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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