Aria

There’s so much I want to say, but that’ll have to wait till I’m out of the car. I just wanna point out now that your fifth point is entirely out of line considering @thongriderdidn’t just say the band is nothing without tom, he said the same about Mark as well. I think there’s humerous situations that call for the tombot gag but you’ve once again missed the mark on that one.

But I think it's less to do with when he feels like it, and more to do with when he can given his other responsibilities. If you wanna film something fun with friends, but you're scheduled for work you can't film with your friends until your work schedule permits it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgxg0NWSgb0 Say what you want about them but these lyrics are awesome: Woo hoo! Woo hoo! Woo hoo! Woo hoo! bars can noff and said day home taking more shots than a Karl Malone battle loons your toon injustice in toon we got the diamonds we gonna fine dem we gotta mind dem We gonna timedem diamonds and guns diamonds and guns it's a wicked world that we leavin it's crew and unforgiven it's a wicked world that we leavin it's crew and unforgiven Woo hoo! Woo hoo! Woo hoo! Woo hoo! knock knock knock who's that? it's comma son looking for the bitch who took the money and run now the daylight is gun and there's no more fun and who's dat fucking bitch who stole all the hair bun hey Ron, hey Ron here's your lawn smoke all up and now you got none and now you look around and this not the plan this is not what you had in mind I shot in heaven! now I cry No one lives forever In fact we all die for those who buck shots to those who smoke cops to those who serve rocks on all the hard blocks every last Saul but pay the last toll in the dice game of life who gets the last roll? is the one with the suit the one with the sag the one who hides behind is fuckin gun and his badge make it an outlook well that's how I'm living and like he said it's a wicked world we live in it's a wicked world we live in woo hooo

This, while controversial, is a very strong argument man. I'm impressed.

@Champ182 I get what he was doing haha keyword wild fact, but by doing that it invites/welcomes a debate. I’m having a good time as kindly and respectably as possible driving home my opinion that it was an absurd thing to point out lol.

That's not the question you should be posing. The fact is, Blink as of now is just as at Mark and Travis's convenience as AVA is to Tom, that's why the point is irrelevant. Part of being in a band, as Mark has mentioned probably a thousand times, is deciding things together and I don't think in regards to this either side could meet in the middle. I also think the amount of songs Blink has churned out since is partly influenced by wanting to "show" what Tom was preventing, in a manner that is excessive to a certain degree.

But at the same time, I don't consider my points as siding with Tom. The argument in general was in reference to how silly and completely irrelevent I found the statistic in the first place.

Regarding Tom in general: Hearing Tom's perspective of the first blink break-up, his response regarding the second fall-out and other things have led me to feel like there's too much we don't know to place all of the blame on Tom li ke that. I think that if I was Mark, in regards to BCR, I would've been bummed (He had every right to be) but Tom truly, truly apologized - Even told him he'd never do that again, and in interviews regarding BCR he would downplay it as just this thing he did that wasn't a big deal. I think Mark let that singular thing completely blow up their entire friendship/working relationship. They were on top of the world, and he couldn't let it go. I mean, I recall Mark mentioning that it was Rick's idea to tour the last single and how weird it was that when Tom didn't want to, Rick didn't want to either. But look at it from the perspective of friends talking, and understanding each other. Tom: I don't know, we've toured two years straight - I miss my family, I need to see my kid, I'm burned out. Touring the album for two years seems fine, we don't have to tour a single. Rick: That makes sense, and I see where you're coming from. Guys, maybe the tour isn't necessary after all, all things considered. Just - There's two sides to every story, and I think if you meet those two somewhere in the middle you get your honest answer. From how DED was explained, Tom was the one who pushed that release, and wanted them to get together to work on it together, but Mark and Travis showed up at the end, something neither contested, and even then tension was overwhelming.

Look at it from a business standpoint. Tom immediately upon word getting out made it clear that he did not quit, even thought the article was wrong or misleading and was completely thrown off by the whole situation. He's since changed his wording by saying he did leave, on his terms which legally keeps him part of Blink because he hasn't departed completely, he's taken a leave of absence. This was no doubt agreed on by Mark and Travis, so that's the conversation that has moved forward since Skiba first stepped in.

Bold my next sentence.

What it boils down to, for me, in my opinion is: more songs means zero/nothing/nada lol to the extent that pointing it out is confusingly misleading in regards to serving a point that goes nowhere. time periods/album cycles/hiatuses/writing credits/tour schedule/behind the scenes shit all have to be factored in when it comes to this, and that’s valid to bring up when one brings up a statistic regarding something like this.

No @thongrider it’s an irrelevant point lol. Tom very Adamently made it clear he did not quit, and even cut ties with his manager. Him saying he stepped away seemed legal/good relations smart on his part.

Yeah, it's really hard to convey what I'm thinking regarding this whole thing- But I basically think @Ry-Bread this stay-together-for-the-kids "makes no sense at all". It's like trying sell scientology or something. "Here's a fact for ya" "Damn, I never thought about that..." lol.

I just find it odd. And all a band has done doesn't start and stop at what songs they release recording wise lol. You can see how it's a little odd, right? You're taking two completely different worlds and comparing them by doing this. The blink with Tom was very different than the blink with Skiba. And you can say you know that, and that you're not factoring in who wrote what, etc etc etc etc you're just pointing out the amount of songs, but you're not taking into account so many things that I think, personally, a statistic like that paints a poor, false narrative and puts a spotlight on an empty stage. And you can't argue if Tom was in the band we'd have nothing to this day, my dude because you don't know that for a fact and I feel just as strongly as you do the opposite (that we would've).

No, I get that right? It's just lol... Ry-Bred never hinted for a second his reasoning for doing this was due to people saying it doesn't feel like Skiba is part of the band. I Guess to me, it felt like a dig at Tom through the form of a very odd, irrelevant statistics all things considered when you really break down the time frame. And I don't understand why somebody who just attended an AVA show, paid a ton for the meet and greet, was stoked to meet Tom, waited around for Ilan would throw something like this out there. I just find it weird and silly I guess lol. Hope that makes sense.

I guess I just don't see how it's interesting, or crazy personally lol. I find it weird? I don't know.

Why are we starting at 2001 in this scenario for this argument?

What. Are. Y'all. Talking. About? Tom is part of like 90+ blink songs. ...

Where are you getting your numbers from @Ry-Bread? Lol

I'm generally really confused by this argument.

We don't know that....

This. JEW just makes me smile.

Chesh Bootlegs sucks.

No I'm with you lol... It sounds like they were told JAPAN NEEDS A TRACK, and scrambled, grabbed their instruments, recorded it, and threw it out the door to be delivered. In my opinion.

Dammit. I hate this topic lol.