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4 minutes ago, daveyjones said:

scott's drums sound the same.

Forgot to mention this as well. But if the album (dude ranch) & song (Christmas) are sonically identical, it doesn’t add up that they were done in separate sessions.

My question is since Christmas and Mutt were done in the same session, why don’t they sound the same?

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3 hours ago, Q182 said:

Forgot to mention this as well. But if the album (dude ranch) & song (Christmas) are sonically identical, it doesn’t add up that they were done in separate sessions.

My question is since Christmas and Mutt were done in the same session, why don’t they sound the same?

because the mix/master is different, and tom probably used both heads. and even different guitars; the sticker strat and he had at least one gibson les paul by this time.

we have confirmation from rob that the two songs were done in the same session. end of story.

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51 minutes ago, daveyjones said:

because the mix/master is different, and tom probably used both heads. and even different guitars; the sticker strat and he had at least one gibson les paul by this time.

Very true! Not doubting the dates, was going by what I heard.

So since it’s fall 1997, I’m guessing along the lines of @blinkstillrules. He had the kitchen sink with him for that session, since we’ve got two different tones on our hands. I’ll always be partial to that dude ranch crunch.

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31 minutes ago, blinkstillrules said:

Agreed and it sounds like he did. Just odd to me they're mixed and mastered differently when recorded together. IWBHFC definitely sounds like sticker strat and the Ampeg or a Marshall. Mutt I hear Mesa and a Les Paul.

well, christmas was promo only, and mutt was for a soundtrack. so the mastering was different by default. also, could have been one was mixed by trombino and the other by some like lord alge. i'd have to check the credits in my CDs and see if anyone is listed.

once last thought: since christmas was a promo-only for radio airplay, it makes total sense it was mixed to sound like DR. whereas "mutt" was given the b-side treatment, almost like a demo.

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On 11/27/2020 at 7:58 PM, daveyjones said:

well, christmas was promo only, and mutt was for a soundtrack. so the mastering was different by default. also, could have been one was mixed by trombino and the other by some like lord alge. i'd have to check the credits in my CDs and see if anyone is listed.

once last thought: since christmas was a promo-only for radio airplay, it makes total sense it was mixed to sound like DR. whereas "mutt" was given the b-side treatment, almost like a demo.

I have the original xmas promo, it only shows Trombino producing it on the limited notes it has.

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I had a go with my Boss Katana 100 mkii trying to recreate the tone from Dammit. I think I got in the ballpark but there's a certain character to the midrange I can't quite nail down. It somehow sounds scooped and very middy all at the same time. I opted for scooping the mids since I run my amp with a boss sd-1 in front anyhow.

Here are my settings:

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1 hour ago, Ash-517 said:

I had a go with my Boss Katana 100 mkii trying to recreate the tone from Dammit. I think I got in the ballpark but there's a certain character to the midrange I can't quite nail down. It somehow sounds scooped and very middy all at the same time. I opted for scooping the mids since I run my amp with a boss sd-1 in front anyhow.

Here are my settings:

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Sounds pretty good for what you're working with. The palm mutes in the verses sounded "chunkier" than the actual song but they sounded good. That's a nice tone you dialed in. I have the boss Kitana mini. Great little amp for what it is. Boss SD-1 is a great overdrive too. I used to like stacking it with a green Russian big muff for doom metal.

 

"Dammit" definitely mids heavy to my ears. It's got that Marshall sound to it that makes me think Ampeg VL or possibly a studio Marshall. I would love to know for sure. 

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On 10/4/2020 at 6:15 PM, mil182 said:

I can totally see that! Out of all of the tube heads I’ve owned, I’ve never owned a Marshall. Most of the JCM heads I’ve played (800, 900 & 2000) sounded too thin for my taste. The one Marshall I really enjoyed was a 50 watt 900 my friend owned. I’ve never seen any VL heads used in any of my local shops over the years, otherwise I would’ve Forsure tried one. But I will probably make an effort to buy one online eventually. 

I just got the 50 watt JCM 900 Dual Reverb.

 

It's definitely thinner than my Ampeg and Mesa. You need to use more bass/low than I'm used to.

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I was fortunate enough on discord to chat directly with Mark Hoppus himself about Dude Ranch and the amp Tom used. Long story short he texted Tom right on the spot to ask him if he remembered which amp he used. Tom said he thinks it was his Marshall.

Tom does own an 800 now as well as still owning the same 900 Dual Reverb he owned in the late 90s. AFAIK the only Marshall he owned back then was the 900 but we didn't see it in his live rig until late 1997/early 1998.

I tried my 900 yesterday with the sticker strat and I really thought it was close.

So my thoughts are it really might be the JCM900. The Ampeg I think it's very close and even possible it was the Ampeg but it always seemed to me to have too much gain/beefiness to it. DR seems thinner esp when you listen to the isolated guitar. Isolating the guitar really let's you hear what gets lost in the mix

The palm muted verses make me think 900. It's thinner than the Ampeg and that's what the isolated guitar track sounds like to me.. thinner, but good.

But hey maybe I'm just wrong altogether.

Tom may very well be remembering correctly. And if it was a JCM900, was it his or someone else's (studio) and that's why he ended up getting one?

We know Tom stopped using the Ampeg in Jan 1997 and started using a Mesa Boogie rackmounted Dual Rectifier. In fall/late 97, that was swapped for his first Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier and he also around that time added a Marshall JCM 900 4100 Dual Reverb to his live rig.

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Thanks for sharing!

edit: Confirmation bias is a real thing,  especially for me,but the boosted 800(=900) has been my theory for years.

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On 6/27/2021 at 1:14 PM, Depf said:

Thanks for sharing!

edit: Confirmation bias is a real thing,  especially for me,but the boosted 800(=900) has been my theory for years.

Totally man. When I get my sticker strat redone, with the X2N back toward the bridge where it belongs, more tone testing will occur!

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