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I think the reason people struggle with MJ is because his own upbringing was so wrought with insanity that him being “child minded” makes enough sense that it adds doubt to the obvious.

Im not saying I believe that but I know a lot of MJ defenders and him as totally fucked mentally but not a perv seems to be the preferred belief amongst them.

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have never understood the MJ defense, which is pretty much everywhere these days. talented artist sure but clearly a predatory and calculating creep of the highest order, and no amount of his childhood experience justifies or even really affects how he treated children in his adult life. while nothing was ever truly proven, you’d have to have a blindfold on to not see how obvious it was that he was an abuser. throw the whole MJ away in my book. 

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16 minutes ago, boxelder said:

have never understood the MJ defense, which is pretty much everywhere these days. talented artist sure but clearly a predatory and calculating creep of the highest order, and no amount of his childhood experience justifies or even really affects how he treated children in his adult life. while nothing was ever truly proven, you’d have to have a blindfold on to not see how obvious it was that he was an abuser. throw the whole MJ away in my book. 

Yeah I agree with that, but people love holding onto the weird belief that he’s some sort of magic innocent imp man who just gosh darn loved playing with “other” kids

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5 hours ago, Elisa said:

With MJ at the very least you have creepy unhealthy codependent obsessive relationship between an adult celebrity & child celebrity that includes sleepovers. Sleeping in the same bed, having vacations with MJ and all the other creepy stuff will never be okay. At worse we have full blown sexual abuse.

5 hours ago, Mr Blonde said:

MJ had sleepovers with kids and had a theme park in his garden ffs. He’s a world class nonce. I still love his music but he’s an absolute danger. 

Yes, but the thing is with the sleepover thing is that he would lend the bed (which is Massive btw) to the kids while he sleeps on the floor. Apparently it was also said that he would get anxious if the kids asked to sleep with him (and Rightfully so). Also to note, it's not just children that were there, it's entire families including siblings and parents too. Not to mention his Bedroom (one of many) that he had sleepovers in is literally the size of a house.

 

Having a theme park is undoubtedly eccentric, but that's less being a P3do than being Rich and doing whatever the heck you want.

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4 hours ago, boxelder said:

have never understood the MJ defense, which is pretty much everywhere these days. talented artist sure but clearly a predatory and calculating creep of the highest order, and no amount of his childhood experience justifies or even really affects how he treated children in his adult life. while nothing was ever truly proven, you’d have to have a blindfold on to not see how obvious it was that he was an abuser. throw the whole MJ away in my book. 

 

Talented and Calculating? Yes. An Abuser? No. No children were known to have been harmed in any fashion, Physically and/or Mentally; nor have expressed much dissatisfaction with their time with Michael. The only 4 (out of the Dozens, if not hundreds that have spent time with him) to have come out and said as such, 2 were disproven in the court of law; the other 2, who later in their adult lives only not too long ago made allegations against him to his Estate, had there Narratives challenged and constantly altered for validation, to no avail. 

Not to mention, one of the "victims" that I mentioned who later made allegations, Wade Robson, had testified in defence Of Michael of his own accord back in the 2005 trial. Macaulay Culkin, who also spent time with Michael as a child, was also a witness in Michael's defence who denied and debunked anything about any alleged abuse or molestation that had taken place (at least in regards to him).

4 hours ago, Kay said:

Yeah I agree with that, but people love holding onto the weird belief that he’s some sort of magic innocent imp man who just gosh darn loved playing with “other” kids

Yeah, I'm not gonna deny that, while somewhat understandable, it's a rather flimsy view in regards to his defence. I don't blame anyone who's seen that across multiple people who defend Michael Jackson to have further doubts on him.

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7 hours ago, Johnny Fappleseed said:

That’s cute. There’s a lot of people who will offer the same defense for DeShaun Watson, when he was clearly guilty of being a POS predator. Same for MJ..not everything has been debunked, that’s just YOUR narrative. 

So I ain’t getting no love for this OG comment? :-(

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54 minutes ago, Brannigan said:

 

Talented and Calculating? Yes. An Abuser? No. No children were known to have been harmed in any fashion, Physically and/or Mentally; nor have expressed much dissatisfaction with their time with Michael. The only 4 (out of the Dozens, if not hundreds that have spent time with him) to have come out and said as such, 2 were disproven in the court of law; the other 2, who later in their adult lives only not too long ago made allegations against him to his Estate, had there Narratives challenged and constantly altered for validation, to no avail. 

Not to mention, one of the "victims" that I mentioned who later made allegations, Wade Robson, had testified in defence Of Michael of his own accord back in the 2005 trial. Macaulay Culkin, who also spent time with Michael as a child, was also a witness in Michael's defence who denied and debunked anything about any alleged abuse or molestation that had taken place (at least in regards to him).

Did you spend time with Michael?

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4 hours ago, Cheerios4u98 said:

I just remember Michael being universally hated growing up (not talking about his music, just him as a person), and then when he died suddenly everyone loved him again. It was a really weird and very abrupt 180.

He was a genius with music, one of the greats. He was mentally ill though and did bad shit to kids. It’s okay to love the music and despise the artist.

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