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Tom's rare backup guitar used 23 years ago on the 2nd of October 1997


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I was just watching the new Montreal 97 show that's surfaced a couple hours ago and noticed that right before the start of the song "Untitled" Tom swaps guitars and starts using a Fender guitar which I had never seen ever before:

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Any thoughts/knowledge on that backup guitar?

Video here:

 

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The mysterious '97 backup guitar! It had an HSS pickup configuration like the original Sticker Strat, but the bridge humbucker is not angled. The neck and middle pickups appear to be stock. The bridge humbucker is also black, I don't know what exactly the model is. It was also stickered differently, most notably the big alien head on the back. This guitar was used at only two other shows; Nile Theater, June '97; and Orange Pavilion, September '97.

This is the best footage I've seen of this guitar! Thank you for sharing this! This is one of Tom's most obscure guitars, hopefully this video can tell us more about it!

 

Tagging others who would dig this @daveyjones @blinkstillrules @mil182

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1 hour ago, Q182 said:

The bridge humbucker is also black, I don't know what exactly the model is.

i'm betting it's a seymour duncan distortion, since that's the brand he had on the sticker strat for the middle and neck. SD distortion hums were popular if you were playing hard rock, metal, and punk; that's what i dropped into my yamaha red rocker back in '99. it's like the SD version of the X2N.

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24 minutes ago, daveyjones said:

i'm betting it's a seymour duncan distortion, since that's the brand he had on the sticker strat for the middle and neck. SD distortion hums were popular if you were playing hard rock, metal, and punk; that's what i dropped into my yamaha red rocker back in '99. it's like the SD version of the X2N.

I can get behind that. I also wondered if this guitar is where he got introduced to the invader, if we’re betting it’s a SD pickup in there.

As far as the stickers go, I still can’t ID anything specific. Oh well...

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8 hours ago, daveyjones said:

i'm betting it's a seymour duncan distortion, since that's the brand he had on the sticker strat for the middle and neck. SD distortion hums were popular if you were playing hard rock, metal, and punk; that's what i dropped into my yamaha red rocker back in '99. it's like the SD version of the X2N.

It's probably a JB if it's Seymour Duncan.

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4 minutes ago, blinkstillrules said:

@veeRob was at the Nile Show. I wonder if Rob has any pics of the backup sticker strat?

Good call! He used the backup for that full set. Too bad all we've got for that show is the grainy video to go off of.

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8 hours ago, blinkstillrules said:

It's probably a JB if it's Seymour Duncan.

i dunno, we were all about the distortion hum back then. i still rock mine. it wails, dirtier than the X2N. that's the axe i use to play bad religion.

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isn't the sh6 way scooped with a sharper high end? the x2n is all mids and bass, definately not quite invader level but i would think a JB or even a gibson dirty fingers is way closer than the sh6.

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12 minutes ago, Depf said:

isn't the sh6 way scooped with a sharper high end? the x2n is all mids and bass, definately not quite invader level but i would think a JB or even a gibson dirty fingers is way closer than the sh6.

I also picked up on this. It sounded more on the warmer side, if its the sh6 I'd be able to take note of the sharper high end its known for.

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i love how there are people on the blink182 forum of all places that can actually talk tone.

usually it's "thunderous, syrupy, woody, dirty, wooly,organic" or some BS.

I still think though you guys scoop your mids too much on your dude ranch soundalikes ;)

oops wrong thread

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17 hours ago, Depf said:

i love how there are people on the blink182 forum of all places that can actually talk tone.

usually it's "thunderous, syrupy, woody, dirty, wooly,organic" or some BS.

I still think though you guys scoop your mids too much on your dude ranch soundalikes ;)

oops wrong thread

I thought so too but I think my last attempt is pretty fucking close. Anytime I added more mids than that it sounded shitty.

And maybe it's just me, but I think the radio edits of Dammit and Josie mixed and mastered by Tom Lord-Alge sound more mids heavy than everything else done by Trombino.

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6 hours ago, blinkstillrules said:

I thought so too but I think my last attempt is pretty fucking close. Anytime I added more mids than that it sounded shitty.

And maybe it's just me, but I think the radio edits of Dammit and Josie mixed and mastered by Tom Lord-Alge sound more mids heavy than everything else done by Trombino.

it is, for sure. Xenu knows what might get lost when mic-ing and compressing and what not anyway. all i'm saying is that if i plugged in your rig and tried to nail the tone i'd probably turn up the mids by 1 or 2.

There surely is some mid scoop, but i get the best results by scooping higher mids and leaving the low mids and low end kinda.... full, round, natural, sweet. 

i'll get my coat

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8 hours ago, Depf said:

it is, for sure. Xenu knows what might get lost when mic-ing and compressing and what not anyway. all i'm saying is that if i plugged in your rig and tried to nail the tone i'd probably turn up the mids by 1 or 2.

There surely is some mid scoop, but i get the best results by scooping higher mids and leaving the low mids and low end kinda.... full, round, natural, sweet. 

i'll get my coat

I tried it with a tad more mids. Just wasn't right. Could be the room I'm in too. There's just so many variables. I'll have to do it one more time.

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2 hours ago, blinkstillrules said:

I tried it with a tad more mids. Just wasn't right. Could be the room I'm in too. There's just so many variables. I'll have to do it one more time.

i hope for all our sake we never truly nail it. half the time i spend on my axe is turning EQ knobs.

 

isn't the frequency knob on the ampeg the one which defines what frequencies the mid knob regulates? like i said, i feel the cut is in the upper mids. i'll try to post a pic of my grapic eq that i use to fine tune my amp which is set quite flat.

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1 hour ago, Depf said:

i hope for all our sake we never truly nail it. half the time i spend on my axe is turning EQ knobs.

 

isn't the frequency knob on the ampeg the one which defines what frequencies the mid knob regulates? like i said, i feel the cut is in the upper mids. i'll try to post a pic of my grapic eq that i use to fine tune my amp which is set quite flat.

According to the manual, the actual MID knob "allows for 12dB cut (full left) or boost (full right) at 40Hz. The center position is considered flat". My settings currently have it at about 2 o'clock.

The Frequency knob is "select channel II's mid range frequency by the setting of this five way switch. It's far left position (1) produces more dominant mid-bass tones; as you rotate the switch to the right (ending at 5) you'll get more dominant upper mid tones. A standard setting for humbuckers is 1 or 2 and single coils are better suited to 4 or 5." My Frequency is currently at 3.

 

PDF of the Ampeg VL-1002/502 Manual: https://ampeg.com/support/files/Discontinued User Manuals/VL-502, 1002/VL502_1002_OM.pdf

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ok that sounds like rather than turning up the mids i personally would change the frequency to 2 or even 1. But like i said that is only what i personally hear and since i do not own an ampeg (just a jcm 800) its all guessing on my part.

i have to say though, i would not be surprised if the dude ranch amp was actually either a boosted 800 or a 900. the bottom end, while very present and full, sounds very focused which suggests some sort of diode clipping to tighten a otherwise overwhelming low end.

The tone is full of bass, but not mud.

@daveyjones do you remember any sort of boost ever being used around that time? lots of folk use a tubescreamer as an always on pedal.

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3 hours ago, Depf said:

 

@daveyjones do you remember any sort of boost ever being used around that time? lots of folk use a tubescreamer as an always on pedal.

at least through 97, tom was a no pedal dude.

the pic we have from the whiskey show opening for descendents in october 96 shows tom running two VL-1002's, either bridged (like fletcher in PW does with his mesas) or one on clean and one on overdrive.

i assume tom recorded at least parts of dude ranch on one of his VL's because a.) it sounds like something he would do b.) trombino isn't a gear hound like jerry finn was, with dozens of amps around to try c.) they were at a rented at-home studio (big fish, encinitas, CA) that probably wouldn't have much gear anyways.

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19 hours ago, Depf said:

ok that sounds like rather than turning up the mids i personally would change the frequency to 2 or even 1. But like i said that is only what i personally hear and since i do not own an ampeg (just a jcm 800) its all guessing on my part.

i have to say though, i would not be surprised if the dude ranch amp was actually either a boosted 800 or a 900. the bottom end, while very present and full, sounds very focused which suggests some sort of diode clipping to tighten a otherwise overwhelming low end.

The tone is full of bass, but not mud.

@daveyjones do you remember any sort of boost ever being used around that time? lots of folk use a tubescreamer as an always on pedal.

The preamp knob on the Ampeg is essentially a built-in overdrive pedal.

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