New website WTF

[Thomas D.]

I think it's a really nice concept, but I don't think he will reach his audience the way he wants to if they charge 7$/ months for it. Although it's not really expensive, I can imagine that kids want to spend their money differently.

[fElon]

It's not working right for me. Keeps freezing. But that sucks that Tom is still down with screwing his fans out of money despite the fact that he has so much of it.

Truly a shame.

so if his music is free. and all the multimedia is free...then what?

is tom gonna start giving out free tours of his house?

bottom line is, money's gotta come from somewhere.

each and every one of these short films he's doing is costing big bucks. he's doing 2 movies, thats costing him big bucks. all the fan stuff he's trying to do, its costing money.

this website he's doing, its costing money. no doubt alot of designer effort has gone into it

yes, tom is rich, but what do u suggest?

that he lives the rest of his life as a fuckin artistic charity and just start handing out free cds on the street corners?

how does tom "screw" people of their money if he's making shit, and asking people to pay for it?

i dont hear you complaining that tom is screwing his fans because hes charging money for his cds. dear God, that would be unthinkable

look man, i understand why u bitch. celebrities = rich, life = unfair

but i dont get what you want out of tom. its not like he's gonna start throwing out silver dollars from roof tops just cuz he has all this undeserved wealth according to you

I don't have a problem with Tom selling CD's or doing tours for money. I also don't have a problem with him getting money to pay website fees and whatever else.

But it is my belief that he is trying to PROFIT off this website.

I just think that is stupid.

It's like he's saying "There is going to be this great new music revolutionary website...............now where is my money for it?" I mean is it really going to be $85?!?!?!?!?!

Tom obviously sees music as mainly a business otherwise he would not have had his manager call Mark and Travis to tell them he quit.

He would have seen them as friends, NOT business partners and would have done it himself.

Bish: It did not cost Tom millions of dollars to make this stuff, you are absolutely nuts.

[Thomas D.]

It's not working right for me. Keeps freezing. But that sucks that Tom is still down with screwing his fans out of money despite the fact that he has so much of it.

Truly a shame.

so if his music is free. and all the multimedia is free...then what?

is tom gonna start giving out free tours of his house?

bottom line is, money's gotta come from somewhere.

each and every one of these short films he's doing is costing big bucks. he's doing 2 movies, thats costing him big bucks. all the fan stuff he's trying to do, its costing money.

this website he's doing, its costing money. no doubt alot of designer effort has gone into it

yes, tom is rich, but what do u suggest?

that he lives the rest of his life as a fuckin artistic charity and just start handing out free cds on the street corners?

how does tom "screw" people of their money if he's making shit, and asking people to pay for it?

i dont hear you complaining that tom is screwing his fans because hes charging money for his cds. dear God, that would be unthinkable

look man, i understand why u bitch. celebrities = rich, life = unfair

but i dont get what you want out of tom. its not like he's gonna start throwing out silver dollars from roof tops just cuz he has all this undeserved wealth according to you

I don't have a problem with Tom selling CD's or doing tours for money. I also don't have a problem with him getting money to pay website fees and whatever else.

But it is my belief that he is trying to PROFIT off this website.

I just think that is stupid.

It's like he's saying "There is going to be this great new music revolutionary website...............now where is my money for it?" I mean is it really going to be $85?!?!?!?!?!

Tom obviously sees music as mainly a business otherwise he would not have had his manager call Mark and Travis to tell them he quit.

He would have seen them as friends, NOT business partners and would have done it himself.

Bish: It did not cost Tom millions of dollars to make this stuff, you are absolutely nuts.

Of course he wants to profit off what he's doing, are you retarded? Don't be a fucking hypocrite, you want to make as much money as possible too, so why would it be different for a music artist? Don't start the bullshit about how music should be about the music and nothing more, cause if there was no money in the music world, no one would make music anymore. Music is business. That's all there is to it. Open your fucking eyes.

[fElon]

It's not working right for me. Keeps freezing. But that sucks that Tom is still down with screwing his fans out of money despite the fact that he has so much of it.

Truly a shame.

so if his music is free. and all the multimedia is free...then what?

is tom gonna start giving out free tours of his house?

bottom line is, money's gotta come from somewhere.

each and every one of these short films he's doing is costing big bucks. he's doing 2 movies, thats costing him big bucks. all the fan stuff he's trying to do, its costing money.

this website he's doing, its costing money. no doubt alot of designer effort has gone into it

yes, tom is rich, but what do u suggest?

that he lives the rest of his life as a fuckin artistic charity and just start handing out free cds on the street corners?

how does tom "screw" people of their money if he's making shit, and asking people to pay for it?

i dont hear you complaining that tom is screwing his fans because hes charging money for his cds. dear God, that would be unthinkable

look man, i understand why u bitch. celebrities = rich, life = unfair

but i dont get what you want out of tom. its not like he's gonna start throwing out silver dollars from roof tops just cuz he has all this undeserved wealth according to you

I don't have a problem with Tom selling CD's or doing tours for money. I also don't have a problem with him getting money to pay website fees and whatever else.

But it is my belief that he is trying to PROFIT off this website.

I just think that is stupid.

It's like he's saying "There is going to be this great new music revolutionary website...............now where is my money for it?" I mean is it really going to be $85?!?!?!?!?!

Tom obviously sees music as mainly a business otherwise he would not have had his manager call Mark and Travis to tell them he quit.

He would have seen them as friends, NOT business partners and would have done it himself.

Bish: It did not cost Tom millions of dollars to make this stuff, you are absolutely nuts.

Of course he wants to profit off what he's doing, are you retarded? Don't be a fucking hypocrite, you want to make as much money as possible too, so why would it be different for a music artist? Don't start the bullshit about how music should be about the music and nothing more, cause if there was no money in the music world, no one would make music anymore. Music is business. That's all there is to it. Open your fucking eyes.

Dude I know its business and thats bullshit.

If I had millions of dollars I wouldn't comprmise my principles to make more money.

I'd be happy with what I had.

It's pretty obvious you have to be a greedy, self centered, arrogant, SOB to be a famous musician.

[Thomas D.]

It's not working right for me. Keeps freezing. But that sucks that Tom is still down with screwing his fans out of money despite the fact that he has so much of it.

Truly a shame.

so if his music is free. and all the multimedia is free...then what?

is tom gonna start giving out free tours of his house?

bottom line is, money's gotta come from somewhere.

each and every one of these short films he's doing is costing big bucks. he's doing 2 movies, thats costing him big bucks. all the fan stuff he's trying to do, its costing money.

this website he's doing, its costing money. no doubt alot of designer effort has gone into it

yes, tom is rich, but what do u suggest?

that he lives the rest of his life as a fuckin artistic charity and just start handing out free cds on the street corners?

how does tom "screw" people of their money if he's making shit, and asking people to pay for it?

i dont hear you complaining that tom is screwing his fans because hes charging money for his cds. dear God, that would be unthinkable

look man, i understand why u bitch. celebrities = rich, life = unfair

but i dont get what you want out of tom. its not like he's gonna start throwing out silver dollars from roof tops just cuz he has all this undeserved wealth according to you

I don't have a problem with Tom selling CD's or doing tours for money. I also don't have a problem with him getting money to pay website fees and whatever else.

But it is my belief that he is trying to PROFIT off this website.

I just think that is stupid.

It's like he's saying "There is going to be this great new music revolutionary website...............now where is my money for it?" I mean is it really going to be $85?!?!?!?!?!

Tom obviously sees music as mainly a business otherwise he would not have had his manager call Mark and Travis to tell them he quit.

He would have seen them as friends, NOT business partners and would have done it himself.

Bish: It did not cost Tom millions of dollars to make this stuff, you are absolutely nuts.

Of course he wants to profit off what he's doing, are you retarded? Don't be a fucking hypocrite, you want to make as much money as possible too, so why would it be different for a music artist? Don't start the bullshit about how music should be about the music and nothing more, cause if there was no money in the music world, no one would make music anymore. Music is business. That's all there is to it. Open your fucking eyes.

Dude I know its business and thats bullshit.

If I had millions of dollars I wouldn't comprmise my principles to make more money.

I'd be happy with what I had.

It's pretty obvious you have to be a greedy, self centered, arrogant, SOB to be a famous musician.

Why do you think bill gates still works for microsoft (for now)? He's the richest SOB alive, yet he keeps on working. Why do you think that is?

[AudioFranzzz]

what a bunch of assholes!! I'm never gonna pay 6 dollars a month!

[Ants in Pants]

"Membership brings you closer to AVA than ever before possible with live concerts, behind the scenes videos, previously unreleased songs, exclusive films, documentaries, and interviews, as well as frequent podcasts and blogs straight from the band, up to the minute news, tour info, music videos, and much much more."

That made me giggle. It looks like the same concept as the fan club, just more $ now. We gotta pay to see pictures and watch music videos? I dont like the idea of that. How are you going to spread AVA buy charging people. People are now only going to avoid AvA. What is Tom thinking? Blink 182 never and would never do something stupid like this. Even through 02-05, they always posted those cheetah videos. There are hundreds of them, and all fun to watch, and free. How do people experience new music? The radio....why?, its free! No one will buy this AvA crap and cross their fingers if they like them.

[fElon]

You can't compare a musician to an innovator.

Bill Gates retired for the record. He also never compromised his principles for money.

Why did he continue to work? He loved what he did!

Tom proves he continues to work for money. With this insulting garbage.

what a bunch of assholes!! I'm never gonna pay 6 dollars a month!

If it only cost $6 bucks then I have NO problem with it whatsoever.

It's going to cost A LOT more then that.

[MSandt]

Fuck Tom. I don't see Mark asking people to pay TO READ A BLOG.

[MSandt]

bottom line is, money's gotta come from somewhere. each and every one of these short films he's doing is costing big bucks. he's doing 2 movies, thats costing him big bucks. all the fan stuff he's trying to do, its costing money.

The short films are likely to be funded by the label and their function is to promote the music - i.e., to make money. You don't pay money to see commercials.

this website he's doing, its costing money. no doubt alot of designer effort has gone into it

There's nothing complex about the website that could explain charging people.

yes, tom is rich, but what do u suggest?

That he doesn't charge people to see behind the scenes videos, blog posts or pictures.

[wotdsm]

"I want all music to be free... As long as you pay $85 a year" 

[Benjirob]

why's there a video of a shuttle launching? it has nothing to do with the band or have i missed ava taking over nasa? could someone tell me what that video is all about since my internet is so slow.

and charging for content is idiotic. i cant think of any band that charges for stuff like that. the fans made tom successful, now he's trying to milk it for everything it's worth. its pathetic.

[fElon]

If tom wanted to charge a nominal fee in order to be able to cover costs for exclusive content-that I can understand.

$6-$7 or even $10 and make it the exclusive stuff only. Not pictures or videos. That is stupid.

But $85!?!?! To watch his stuff!!??!

It's not right......

[fElon]

Ok I just want to say that is looks to only be $6.95 a month (with a 3 month minimum which is annoying)

Where are we getting $85 from?

Cause if thats all it is, I am fine with it.

[LaVerdadEstaAqui]

Fuck Tom. I don't see Mark asking people to pay TO READ A BLOG.

yeah, thats fucking ridiculous

I could sort of see justifying a fee to pay for the bandwidth of the videos, but for the other stuff, its just really lame.

[fElon]

Where are we getting $85 from?

7(price of one month) x 12(months in a year) = 84.

someone just is bad at math.

hey azul, wanna go 50/50 on an account? we can wait a month or so till theres actually shit on the site.

Oh. Well thats unfair.

Cause you don't have to buy for the year.

$7 a month isn't bad. I just wish they didn't have the 3 month minimum. That is stupid.

[Brewmont]

also, I think we will have to see what the future brings for the site when it's officially launched and whatnot for others to use. I can understand people getting mad at the content being offered as "exclusive", but also, in order to make it seem like there was a bunch of stuff, they had to work with what they had, which is stuff everyone here happens to have seen already.

I say over time things will get more interesting.

hopefully.

[LaVerdadEstaAqui]

Where are we getting $85 from?

7(price of one month) x 12(months in a year) = 84.

someone just is bad at math.

hey azul, wanna go 50/50 on an account? we can wait a month or so till theres actually shit on the site.

lol you know whats weird I was just thinking about the possibility of that right before I read that(except maybe with like.. oh 2 more people).  I'm not sure if it would work though, I mean they might be able to track IPs and such.  Also I just bought a Macbook and am now (slightly) in debt.  I did manage to get a lot of the vids and photos before they pw protected them though.. 

[supervic]

bottom line is, money's gotta come from somewhere. each and every one of these short films he's doing is costing big bucks. he's doing 2 movies, thats costing him big bucks. all the fan stuff he's trying to do, its costing money.

The short films are likely to be funded by the label and their function is to promote the music - i.e., to make money. You don't pay money to see commercials.

this website he's doing, its costing money. no doubt alot of designer effort has gone into it

There's nothing complex about the website that could explain charging people.

yes, tom is rich, but what do u suggest?

That he doesn't charge people to see behind the scenes videos, blog posts or pictures.

so then what does he charge people for?

cds, which noone buys?

this is going straight through your head man. the idea here is that muscians gotta make money somehow. and if they cant make it by selling cds, they  make it with this behind the scenes stuff

its just flippin the switch here. in the past people bought cds, and got exclusive stuff for free. now its the other way around, because nobody wants to pay for mp3s anymore. and the exclusive stuff is just alot more expansive to make it a bit more worth it

[supervic]

It's not working right for me. Keeps freezing. But that sucks that Tom is still down with screwing his fans out of money despite the fact that he has so much of it.

Truly a shame.

so if his music is free. and all the multimedia is free...then what?

is tom gonna start giving out free tours of his house?

bottom line is, money's gotta come from somewhere.

each and every one of these short films he's doing is costing big bucks. he's doing 2 movies, thats costing him big bucks. all the fan stuff he's trying to do, its costing money.

this website he's doing, its costing money. no doubt alot of designer effort has gone into it

yes, tom is rich, but what do u suggest?

that he lives the rest of his life as a fuckin artistic charity and just start handing out free cds on the street corners?

how does tom "screw" people of their money if he's making shit, and asking people to pay for it?

i dont hear you complaining that tom is screwing his fans because hes charging money for his cds. dear God, that would be unthinkable

look man, i understand why u bitch. celebrities = rich, life = unfair

but i dont get what you want out of tom. its not like he's gonna start throwing out silver dollars from roof tops just cuz he has all this undeserved wealth according to you

I don't have a problem with Tom selling CD's or doing tours for money. I also don't have a problem with him getting money to pay website fees and whatever else.

But it is my belief that he is trying to PROFIT off this website.

I just think that is stupid.

It's like he's saying "There is going to be this great new music revolutionary website...............now where is my money for it?" I mean is it really going to be $85?!?!?!?!?!

Tom obviously sees music as mainly a business otherwise he would not have had his manager call Mark and Travis to tell them he quit.

He would have seen them as friends, NOT business partners and would have done it himself.

Bish: It did not cost Tom millions of dollars to make this stuff, you are absolutely nuts.

so whats he supposed to, lose money for the rest of his career? profit has to come in somewhere

and let me remind you...this isnt JUST TOM

its not a fucking dictatorship man (yeah yeah, do your jokes)

but people have to get paid. tom isnt a one man army. people at macbeth and loserkids have to get paid dont they?

people at the label have to get paid dont they?

what about the designers, animators, producers, directors?

they have to get paid dont they?

how about the other 3 in the band?

tom's obviously pooling together ALOT of people to do this. so what's he gonna do then? not make any profit and just keep losing money?

he's jsut gonna keep making films and videos and websites and media and music, and not expect to get anything in return just cuz hes a millionaire? he'll build a studio, then give away his music and lose money. he'll make short films and then not pay any of his crew and just lose money? what the fuck dude. telling somebody not to make a profit..thats just the lamest shit ive ever heard

so is there a cutoff point oliver? how about..once u make 5 million dollars, you arent allowed to get any more profit from waht you are doing, is that what it should be? when you reach a certain level of celebrity status, ok, you've been topped off, u cant make anymore now

all you haters, its all just sour fucking grapes, thats all it is. shoot a man down when he's trying to do something unique and different, shoot a man down when he's trying to dream or trying to be larger than life. fuck. i remember when that was what rock n roll used to be about. win or lose, pass or fail, as long as you have the guts to act like you're bigger than the world

fuck you all