SPECULATION :: Did Blink's management have an influence over kicking out Scott?

[Fun, Catchy Pop-Punk]

First off, read the first word of the title.  This is nothing more than pure speculation, and since there isn't much to talk about I figured this would be cool, if you don't like it then gtfo.

I was thinking the other night that Blink's management, or even the producers, could of suggested that Travis Barker would be a better fit in the band than Scott was.  If memory serves correctly, Travis was playing in the Aquabats and on tour with Blink, and Scott was sick or something and couldn't play so Travis learned all their songs in a half hour?  Something along those lines at least.  What if Blink's management watched Barker play and realized he would be a great fit for the band, and Scott's alcoholism was just a red herring?  An analogy would be how a sports team scouts younger players who might fit their team well, because I'm sure management/their producers are looking to put together the best band possible.  It could very well be a combination of Scott being an alcoholic and Travis being more talented, but I'm wondering how much of that is balanced on either side.

Can people post interviews with Scott after he got booted from the band?  I've read a few here and there, and think it would bring valuable discussion to the thread.  I would like to divulge into this and see what everyone thinks.

Of course this thread is more than likely bullshit, but I thought it would be fun to discuss  

[_Kyle_]

Honestly, we'll never know unless Mark or Tom fesses up and gives us the true answer. But I feel like Blink's management was pulling for Travis to be in the band, who wouldn't? Scott isn't as interesting or as talented. Mark said himself that Travis fit so well, it was a no brainer to ask him to join.

I don't know if Scott was actually a drunk, or just had a few too many at some bad moments. But didn't Scott give an interview and flat out said that Mark and Tom wanted a new drummer, so they made up the college story and then tried to say he was an alcoholic? Also, Man Overboard is kind of throwing Scott under the bus because it's obviously about him.

I remember when I was 14, I would sit and think about this all day on the school bus.

[Zoltan]

Jason: .. the millions of girls humming along, "all the small things" -- I know exactly what your saying.. or at least I see where you are coming from. Was the idea of getting TOO big one of the reasons for your departure?

Scott: No, I have no problem with success on that level just not in that way. Music turned into music business, and I wasn't ready to deal with the game. And I was always the one saying, "let go this way" and they wanted to go "that way," and so did everyone else surrounding the band. So guess who got kicked, "overboard?"

[High Value Man]

Usually decisions to end relationships, whether it be personal ones, or professional ones, is never for a single reason, but for a combination of reasons.

I think Scott had a drinking problem for sure. It was documented in Man Overboard and in various interviews, but chances are it wasn't the only reason he was shit canned. Although I do believe it was one of the reasons.

I think it was that and a bunch of stuff, some of which included Travis just being a better fit.

Rick Devoe is an asshole and something tells me he is lucky to get himself dressed in the morning let alone make a sudden determination that Travis was a great fit.

[Ghost]

I want to think that was something like Oliver just said. Believe me, I want so badly to think that was like that, just an addition of circumstances.

But the bad thing is that I know a band here in Spain in which the bass player was kicked out just to be 'too old' and 'too fat'. The thing was, in a few words:

- The band starts as a melodic hardcore 4 members band. Release an album. Original singer leaves after the first album. Replaced naturally by other that stay on the band until now.

- The band evolves into a more punkpop sound. Keeps the same members. Release another album.

- Band gets popularity. Tour in Spain and Japan.

- The band gets the opportunity to sing/licensing with Warner.

- The band starts recording 'the first supposed to be great album'. Joe Marlett is producing the LP which, at least, was a double LP, english and spanish.

- One week before the launch of the album, the bass player is kicked out of the band. No reasons on the official site. I know that guy, was kicked by the reason I said before: too old and too fat for the audience the record company wants to address this new album: teens.

- All the artwork, video for single and stuff was done before the 'firing' of the original bass player. Needs to be cancelled and redone, band has not (yet) new bass player. They get a new one. The new artwork does not feature 4 members, only 3 because they need to photoshop it quickly to delete the old bass player. Video needs to be redone too, but then the new bass player appears.

That was the thing.

Later, on this band, right now, there's no original members on it. At the beginning they were 4 members, first singer leaved the band after their first record. Joined the new one. The bass player was kicked and replaced. Few years later, one guitar player left. No replaced, become trio. Then, drummer leaves. Replaced. The band turns into a shitty pop kind of rock teenager band.

So technically, there's no original members on this band. All 4 original ones are out right now.

It's crazy.

[High Value Man]

Interesting. It's possible.

It happened in The Beatles as well.

[Max]

Interesting. It's possible.

It happened in The Beatles as well.

what do you mean?

[Thomas!]

Interesting. It's possible.

It happened in The Beatles as well.

what do you mean?

Pete Best, look him up; original drummer of the Beatles before Ringo Starr

[High Value Man]

Interesting. It's possible.

It happened in The Beatles as well.

what do you mean?

Pete Best, look him up; original drummer of the Beatles before Ringo Starr

Yeah, it's VERY similar to what happened with Scott.

Right before The Beatles made it big they fired Pete Best who was their drummer from the very beginning.

Of course, similar to Blink, they had their manager do the dirty work for them, and never really gave him a reason why they got rid of him. One of the roadies asked John Lennon and his response was basically "Your a roadie, so it's none of your business".

[Asasuka]

Why if Mark and Tom decided enough of Scott missing shows??

What if Mark and Tom were actually telling the truth?

[Thomas!]

Interesting. It's possible.

It happened in The Beatles as well.

what do you mean?

Pete Best, look him up; original drummer of the Beatles before Ringo Starr

Yeah, it's VERY similar to what happened with Scott.

Right before The Beatles made it big they fired Pete Best who was their drummer from the very beginning.

Of course, similar to Blink, they had their manager do the dirty work for them, and never really gave him a reason why they got rid of him. One of the roadies asked John Lennon and his response was basically "Your a roadie, so it's none of your business".

Yeah, I heard that people think the reason might have been because all the girls liked Pete, and he was considered the most good looking member of the band, and they were all jealous over it, and gave him the boot

[Fun, Catchy Pop-Punk]

This thread reminds me of when, if my memory serves correctly, Scott fell off a second story building and broke his ankle when he was drunk.  And then they had a photoshoot, and he couldn't put on his shoe properly in this photo:

Did that really happen, or am I just crazy?  I feel like I remember reading that on this board a long time ago.

[Thomas!]

This thread reminds me of when, if my memory serves correctly, Scott fell off a second story building and broke his ankle when he was drunk.  And then they had a photoshoot, and he couldn't put on his shoe properly in this photo:

Did that really happen, or am I just crazy?  I feel like I remember reading that on this board a long time ago.

Yeah, blink held a party for them being signed to a major label (MCA Records), and Scott's girlfriend broke up with him that night, and he attempted suicide.

[MSandt]

What if Blink's management watched Barker play and realized he would be a great fit for the band...?

This is not very credible. First you'd have to define "management". Many of them probably can't tell one drummer from another let alone think that a drummer has much significance.

What is more than plausible is that the band had extensive discussions about switching drummers with Rick but I'm sure he falls under the "friends" category rather than "management".

[High Value Man]

Yeah, I heard that people think the reason might have been because all the girls liked Pete, and he was considered the most good looking member of the band, and they were all jealous over it, and gave him the boot

Yep, that's what I heard as well.

This thread reminds me of when, if my memory serves correctly, Scott fell off a second story building and broke his ankle when he was drunk.  And then they had a photoshoot, and he couldn't put on his shoe properly in this photo:

Did that really happen, or am I just crazy?  I feel like I remember reading that on this board a long time ago.

I think I was the one who brought that up. Hence the line in Man Overboard "Sit out on a ledge, begged you to come down".

It sucks that Mark told a bold face lie about that song's meaning.

[TomMarkTravis]

Yeah, I heard that people think the reason might have been because all the girls liked Pete, and he was considered the most good looking member of the band, and they were all jealous over it, and gave him the boot

Yep, that's what I heard as well.

This thread reminds me of when, if my memory serves correctly, Scott fell off a second story building and broke his ankle when he was drunk.  And then they had a photoshoot, and he couldn't put on his shoe properly in this photo:

Did that really happen, or am I just crazy?  I feel like I remember reading that on this board a long time ago.

I think I was the one who brought that up. Hence the line in Man Overboard "Sit out on a ledge, begged you to come down".

It sucks that Mark told a bold face lie about that song's meaning.

And what was that lie?

[MSandt]

It sucks that Mark told a bold face lie about that song's meaning.

Not like we're entitled to know what's essentially between the three of them.

[Cheerios4u98]

I know I've read one, maybe two interviews with Scott after he left blink. I think one was on alternativepunk. I'd like to read that again, it was pretty interesting.

[Muttweed182]

Scott sucked, was a drunk and attempted suicide....... 3 valid reasons to kick him out. He was a poison to the band and Mark and Tom realized this so they did the smart thing to do. I'm much happier with Travis he brings so much to blink and without him I don't think blink would be half as good as they are. Cheshire Cat and Dude Ranch are awesome albums don't get me wrong but the reason they were good is because they were young when they did them. If they kept Scott I feel like they would just be pumping out Dude Ranch knock off albums and that would get stale so fast.

Travis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Scott..... any day....

[Fun, Catchy Pop-Punk]

Scott sucked, was a drunk and attempted suicide....... 3 valid reasons to kick him out. He was a poison to the band and Mark and Tom realized this so they did the smart thing to do. I'm much happier with Travis he brings so much to blink and without him I don't think blink would be half as good as they are. Cheshire Cat and Dude Ranch are awesome albums don't get me wrong but the reason they were good is because they were young when they did them. If they kept Scott I feel like they would just be pumping out Dude Ranch knock off albums and that would get stale so fast.

Travis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Scott..... any day....

Scott sucked, was a drunk and attempted suicide....... 3 valid reasons to kick him out. He was a poison to the band and Mark and Tom realized this so they did the smart thing to do. I'm much happier with Travis he brings so much to blink and without him I don't think blink would be half as good as they are. Cheshire Cat and Dude Ranch are awesome albums don't get me wrong but the reason they were good is because they were young when they did them. If they kept Scott I feel like they would just be pumping out Dude Ranch knock off albums and that would get stale so fast.

Travis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Scott..... any day....

This thread wasn't about who you think is better and was not intended for any type of comparison, way to miss the point completely.