SPECULATION :: Did Blink's management have an influence over kicking out Scott?

[juice182]

i remember reading somewhere that when wmaa first came out it didnt do that well but then when ATST came out they rereleased it and it did great.

[ALI]

And what was that lie?

Interviewer: Is "Man Overboard" about Scott?

Mark: No

Bold face lie.

Yeah, but I think he thought it would be classier to deny that it was about Scott, no matter how obvious it was. True, it could be seen as more insulting that way, but I can't say I blame him for denying it. It's kind of like our anonymous thread here: you know who someone's post is about or when their post is about you, yet they won't directly say the person's name.

[0rt3x]

i remember reading somewhere that when wmaa first came out it didnt do that well but then when ATST came out they rereleased it and it did great.

and i remember mark saying in some video that he really felt that blink was getting huge when wmaa was released

[Apollo182]

I read an interview (probably Absolutepunk) where Scott talks about bumping into Tom and Mark some time later: Tom said hello to him and had a brief chat, but Mark ignored him.

Maybe there was something between him and Mark.

[Apollo182]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=23565

Few other insights:

I have no problem with success on that level just not in that way. Music turned into music business, and I wasn't ready to deal with the game. And I was always the one saying, "let go this way" and they wanted to go "that way," and so did everyone else surrounding the band. So guess who got kicked, "overboard?"

I don't really know, I just enjoyed the times when we were all in a van and loading our own gear and sweating and stinking and all that. That's where I feel most comfortable and I think I was uncomfortable moving into the, "other world." I didn't like doing encores and stuff it seemed,"fake," to me. But everyone says that's part of being an entertainer, but to me music isn't just entertainment. It is life blood, and a force that can change the world for the better. Is that melodramatic or what? But I am serious.

Forming the band:

Yah, that's one of my big heart aches over the whole thing. I put 6 years into something I loved and not only is it stolen from me by people I thought were my friends, but I am left behind in the dust. I started that band with Tom. They even made some story about how Tom and Mark met and then recruited me, they are rewriting the books, it's weird.

That's what I am saying. I was in a band with my friend Paul Scott, but he had to move. I was a freshman at Poway when Tom was a senior. Paul knew Tom needed a drummer, so (before we moved) we went to this party where Tom was gonna be and I met Tom. We started playing, and then there was a guy named Derek that played guitar for a while, and we tried out a couple bass players. Then we met Mark. Then Mark quit and then he came back.

On meeting up again:

Jason: Wow, what did they do when you went to the show?

Scott: Tom asked how I was and I think Mark was scared I was going to flip out. I just wanted to show my face, and that's all I did, and then I left.

[Apollo182]

The bit I highlighted in bold makes me think he has some animosity towards Mark.

[_Kyle_]

Blink was pretty big when Dammit hit. It wasn't a huge monster single like ATST, but it did very well on rock radio and got them a gold record and eventually signed.

Maybe that was just in North America.

[Ocramid]

Ive always wondered if that interview was even really Scott.

[_Kyle_]

Yeah, every interview I've read, there's always been questioning if its legit or not. What does Scott even do now?

[Zoltan]

i dont know what's with him now. my last infos from wikipedia

but i found these archive shits:

after the nontitled record released there was "news" that "scott raynor found dead", then he responded he's alive, and the story was just a promo for his charity work...

"hello this is scott raynor

i was not shot but i have a friend who was. she was a homeless youth living on the streets of san diego. 13 children die on the streets of america... everyday. i dont want this to happen to children. i volunteer for a national non-profit organization called Stand Up For Kids, we, as volunteers, go to the streets to rescue the homeless youth of america. it works. many are saved.

if you want to help, go to: standupforkids.org or volunteer at another charity for homeless youth in your area.

thank you

peace

scott"

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a part of another interview (around 2004):

Chris: "What do you think is the biggest misconception people get with you and the

Blink situation?"

Scott: "I dont know because I dont know how people see me. When you get in the

situation where you are some kind of public figure people tend to place things on you that may not be true, I have done this many times with people I used to idolize as heros, now I see that they are merely humans who achieve great things, and make great mistakes too.

I was very young in the blink days, I started when i was 14. And during those 6 years I was unwilling to control my drinking. The pressures of succeding and the volitile nature of my personal life fed into my habit. I think the greatest misconception was that I was fired for drinking. I received a phone call from Mark, Tom, and Rick (manager), one afternoon after a recent tour. They gave me an ultimatum to quit drinkning and go into rehab. I didnt think I needed to go to rehab so I asked for the weekend to think about it, they agreed. I went out and got drunk. After that weekend I realized that I had a drinking habit that I needed to break, I told them I would go to rehab and they said they didnt trust me. So I asked if there was anything I could do to stay in the band and they said no. So I was never given a reason.

Another misconception is that I am somehow upset or bitter about this. When they said they wouldnt trust me to quit drinking I realized that I was not in the company of friends. And I wouldnt have wanted to be in a band whom are not my friends."

source: CRogalski.com

[Apollo182]

Ive always wondered if that interview was even really Scott.

Almost certain it is legit, the guy that runs the website did the interview, and the website has been pretty big for years/a place where lots of bands do interviews/post.

[fElon]

They are real. That isn't really something you could fake. Back in the day Scott actually gave out his email address in one interview cause he wanted people to email him about standupforkids.

I knew he wouldn't respond to any blink stuff, but I wanted an email from Scott, so I sent him something pretending to care about his charity and he actually wrote me back. I know I was stupid, but this is going back like 10 years now.

[Fun, Catchy Pop-Punk]

They are real. That isn't really something you could fake. Back in the day Scott actually gave out his email address in one interview cause he wanted people to email him about standupforkids.

I knew he wouldn't respond to any blink stuff, but I wanted an email from Scott, so I sent him something pretending to care about his charity and he actually wrote me back. I know I was stupid, but this is going back like 10 years now.

Do you still have it?

If so, you should post it here!

[Low Value Boy]

i doubt blink was making that much money before enema of the state.

they werent rolling in cash like they were AFTER enema, but they were obviously  making some damn good money.

Yeah, they weren't rich, but they made a decent living. I remember in an interview Mark gave in 1998, he was still talking about how he didn't see himself being in music his entire life, and still wanted to be a teacher.

So obviously at that point it wasn't something he was getting rich off of. But they were making enough cash to live comfortable.

I think even the first few months after Enema came out they weren't doing that great. It wasn't until "All The Small Things" went to the top that they had really "made it".

Just imagine being at school, teacher/lecturer walks in 'Hi, my name is Mr Hoppus'.

[MSandt]

When they said they wouldnt trust me to quit drinking I realized that I was not in the company of friends.

Is Scott an idiot or what? I wouldn't trust an alcoholic either, friend or not. Mark and Tom did the right thing by getting rid of him.

[Cheerios4u98]

We started playing, and then there was a guy named Derek that played guitar for a while, and we tried out a couple bass players. Then we met Mark. Then Mark quit and then he came back.

Haha imagine being that guy Derek and being able to say 100% truthfully "I used to be in blink-182". That would just be fun to be able to do.

[fElon]

Do you still have it?

If so, you should post it here!

I think it was [email protected]. Don't ask me how I remember that. Chances are he doesn't use that anymore, we are talking literally  2001. I also remember a lot of people posting that they were bombarding him with messages about Blink and he was getting annoyed, so chances are he changed it. I wish I still had the interview itself, but I can't find it. Not that important cause it wasn't as good as the more recent ones. He mostly talked about his charity work and not about Blink.

Actually typing that Screen name in, I just found the interview. Yeh! That's an old one for sure.

http://www.sandiegopunk.com/interviews/scottraynorinterview.php

Just imagine being at school, teacher/lecturer walks in 'Hi, my name is Mr Hoppus'.

That would be so WEIRD, but amazing at the same time.

[fElon]

When they said they wouldnt trust me to quit drinking I realized that I was not in the company of friends.

Is Scott an idiot or what? I wouldn't trust an alcoholic either, friend or not. Mark and Tom did the right thing by getting rid of him.

I kind of agree to an extent. If you have a friend who's an alcoholic, you should really support him going to rehab and be there for him (Blink obviously wasn't at the end).

But I can understand going forward without him. I don't think he had an issue with that so much is how they went about it. Also, he needed time to "think it over"? and went out and got drunk? That was not the way to handle it at all. He should have been like "Yes, I will go to rehab" the second they called him.

Of course they aren't going to trust him after he did something like that.

[Cheerios4u98]

http://www.sandiegopunk.com/interviews/scottraynorinterview.php

Cool interview, thanks for posting that. Based on the interviews he's done post-blink he seems like a really cool guy.

[Muttweed182]

I can't read that interview what a shame .