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On 2/22/2021 at 11:05 PM, blinkstillrules said:

Dude Ranch to my ears sounds like the Ampeg and the sticker strat using the X2N. It's probably definitely the X2N. It might be a studio Marshall if it's not the Ampeg. It sounds like a Marshall to me (which the Ampeg is) and not a Mesa.

Won't argue against that. Tbh i always found the CD sounds in general to be more on the marshall side.

Its the definately maybe that bums me out though.

@daveyjones it's your time to shine and find out what tom used on DR. Anyone can do it it's you

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Gotcha, I will see what I can do. Are we also confident he used the red strat on CC? We really do need a gear run down album by album for the history books.

Happy to help!  a gear timeline would be a completely different beast. Albeit it might be easier, but still its hard to fathom. Got one more for you:

@daveyjonesand I can confirm Tom's red strat was actually a Fender and was used on Cheshire Cat at Doubletime Studios.

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2 hours ago, Depf said:

Won't argue against that. Tbh i always found the CD sounds in general to be more on the marshall side.

Its the definately maybe that bums me out though.

@daveyjones it's your time to shine and find out what tom used on DR. Anyone can do it it's you

We need @Ry-Bread to get Mark Trombino on the podcast to settle the DR recording questions.

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16 minutes ago, Ry-Bread said:

What are we trying to figure out?

Tom's guitar rig for recording Dude Ranch. We think its the Sticker Strat into the Ampeg VL-1002 or some kind of Marshall that was at Big Fish during the sessions.

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2 minutes ago, Ry-Bread said:

Gotcha, I will see what I can do. Are we also confident he used the red strat on CC? We really do need a gear run down album by album for the history books.

the white strat was in live use before cheshire! And (just me guessing based on my efforts to hit a sound like) there could be a humbucker at play.

Keep up the good work Ry, we appreciate you

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11 minutes ago, Ry-Bread said:

Gotcha, I will see what I can do. Are we also confident he used the red strat on CC? We really do need a gear run down album by album for the history books.

Thanks so much as always Ry! You are doing truly excellent work (as is everyone who's just as invested)! 

I really think he did during the first sessions with Steve Kravac, but its possible he used the Sticker Strat as well when they went back to Doubletime to redo some guitars and vocals.

@DepfHe was on pickup position 4 for that record and all the ones prior. he didn't start using a humbucker until 1995 when the X2N was put in the white strat. If you watch the October 94 SOMA video both guitars are on position 4 (and no X2N in the sticker strat). The tones from flyswatter-cc are also warmer and fuller, and not as bright as DR.

 

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Yes,  my bad, I should have been clearer. What i meant is that, to my ears, I come closer with a neck humbucker + middle singlecoil than two singlecoils. 

Which is the basis for my "cheshire was recorded on the soma spec strat" theory

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1 hour ago, Depf said:

to my ears, I come closer with a neck humbucker + middle singlecoil than two singlecoils. 

Which is the basis for my "cheshire was recorded on the soma spec strat" theory

you’re good. I tried the neck & middle singles on my strat (stock pickups) through my VL-1002 with some suggested settings from Davey and it sounded just like CC. However with your testing, it wouldn’t surprise me the sticker strat was used in position 4 with the hotrails when they redid guitars at doubletime. 

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I asked a source and was told they used different guitars in the studio, even a PRS potentially. 
 

Considering we recently found out Mark used a studio bass for at least some of Dude Ranch (not sure if @daveyjones mentioned that here), this isn’t particularly surprising. 
 

I’ve reached out to Trombino, hope to hear back. If not we’ll get the answer from Tom one day. 

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Ha! I think i read somewhere that a PRS was used on EOTS. On cheshire would be a big surprise though.

Fuck. The more we dig , the less we know. I'm really starting to think Tom wasn't shitting when he said his ES 333 was his first own guitar to be used when recording.

Thanks for asking Ry.  Hope you hear from Trombino or better yet the man himself.

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53 minutes ago, Ry-Bread said:

My question was specifically about CC/DR, and the PRS was in reference to DR sessions specifically FWIW. 

alright, that makes an awful lot more sense than the PRS appearing on CC. Not a PRS expert, but i think their first strat style guitars (the EG and 513) appeared in the early 2000s and like Qool and the gang noted : CC definately has a singlecoil middle position sound.

Who's the source? Tell Charlie the eagle has landed. the keys for the caddy are ready to go.

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1 hour ago, Ry-Bread said:

Considering we recently found out Mark used a studio bass for at least some of Dude Ranch (not sure if @daveyjones mentioned that here), this isn’t particularly surprising. 

mark said all of it was recorded on that boutique bass, the schecter. 

i want to nail when tom acquired the ampeg(s) and the 94 40th strat. then we can suss out what recorded when. the october 94 SOMA vid on youtube that surfaced last year is extremely close to the invoiced dates at doubletime for cheshire cat addendum work.

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22 minutes ago, daveyjones said:

I want to nail when tom acquired the ampeg(s) and the 94 40th strat. the october 94 SOMA vid on youtube that surfaced last year is extremely close to the invoiced dates at doubletime for cheshire cat addendum work.

In the SOMA video Tom’s still got the Fender M80 head for amps. My theory is the 94 40th strat came first, and then the Ampegs came later, not by much time.

Tom upgraded to the VL’s sometime between 10/7/94 (surfaced soma show) and 2/17/95 (Cc release party where it first shows them in use). 

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38 minutes ago, daveyjones said:

mark said all of it was recorded on that boutique bass, the schecter. 

i want to nail when tom acquired the ampeg(s) and the 94 40th strat. then we can suss out what recorded when. the october 94 SOMA vid on youtube that surfaced last year is extremely close to the invoiced dates at doubletime for cheshire cat addendum work.

Agreed and It'd be interesting to know why Tom went with Ampeg too. Maybe Jeff had one at Doubletime. Maybe O brought one for him to use or recommended it.

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4 hours ago, Depf said:

the white strat was in live use before cheshire! And (just me guessing based on my efforts to hit a sound like) there could be a humbucker at play.

Keep up the good work Ry, we appreciate you

I think the white strat was used on CC but figuring out recording dates and gear acquisition dates will clear that up.

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4 hours ago, Depf said:

Yes,  my bad, I should have been clearer. What i meant is that, to my ears, I come closer with a neck humbucker + middle singlecoil than two singlecoils. 

Which is the basis for my "cheshire was recorded on the soma spec strat" theory

Well we know the sticker strat at the time of the Oct 94 SOMA show had the JB jr in the bridge, stock single coil middle and the hot rails in the neck.

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1 hour ago, Ry-Bread said:

I asked a source and was told they used different guitars in the studio, even a PRS potentially. 
 

Considering we recently found out Mark used a studio bass for at least some of Dude Ranch (not sure if @daveyjones mentioned that here), this isn’t particularly surprising. 
 

I’ve reached out to Trombino, hope to hear back. If not we’ll get the answer from Tom one day. 

I wouldn't count on Tom. He's notorious for remembering things like this wrong.

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