The blink 182 general discussion topic

[Russel Coight 5130]

I’m more about the “I’m not gonna tolerate that on here” line as opposed the video. That’s something an authority figure says like a teacher or a principal at a school. Davey is just one of us why is he telling the people in charge what to do?

[Russel Coight 5130]

The video was also posted a week ago. It was rightfully ignored by pretty much everybody. Bringing it back a week later just to complain about it is dumb.

[Speedo 13522]

45 minutes ago, Russel Coight said:

I’m more about the “I’m not gonna tolerate that on here” line as opposed the video. That’s something an authority figure says like a teacher or a principal at a school. Davey is just one of us why is he telling the people in charge what to do?

I know and I understand. I'm just one of those people that believes words only hold the power the listeners allow them to have. I think all agree that the context was deplorable but it should be ignored, not condemned.

[daveyjones 4856]

2 hours ago, 120 Years of Senating said:

Relax, idiots are going to be idiots. It was towards me and I'm not upset.

yea i overreacted in the heat of the moment. i also, as @Russel Coightpoints out, i did not notice that it was an old post.

bottom line is hard R is a big thing for me. my best friend's sister had downs. COVID killed her in seven days. she was 29. i was with him when he got the call and burst into tears, shaking uncontrollably. so yea i go into a complete hulk rage when i see that kind of shit.

[Speedo 13522]

1 hour ago, daveyjones said:

yea i overreacted in the heat of the moment. i also, as @Russel Coightpoints out, i did not notice that it was an old post.

bottom line is hard R is a big thing for me. my best friend's sister had downs. COVID killed her in seven days. she was 29. i was with him when he got the call and burst into tears, shaking uncontrollably. so yea i go into a complete hulk rage when i see that kind of shit.

I'd be lying if I said I never used it, that's a choice I make for my self and based on my own emphasis on context and intent. It isn't for everyone and I don't use it out of some desire of edginess, at least not consciously anyway. Like most people, the context and intent is on someone being silly, rather than disabled. You won't find rational people calling the disabled "retarded" and I have hope, maybe unfounded, that you won't find rational people calling homosexuals "fags"; still I am a fan of embracing alternative definitions.

Now, there will always be outliers, like the village idiots, Mard or Feeling_This (who liked the post). You can't do anything about them, they're stains ... stubborn ones at that ... maybe they'll go away, maybe they'll stick around as a reminder for the rational folks to be more careful.

I preach the importance of context, the importance of nuance and not giving undue power to words and I whole-heartedly believe in it. I like the intricacies of language, the multiple meanings and, yes, even the school yard sensibilities of words that would otherwise be used to tear human beings down. In it's own odd way, it feels like a step in the direction of putting everyone on an even playing field.

All that is not to say you'll find me lobbing it in your direction. While I could say "hey, how you take it is your problem, man", it takes a special kind of asshole to be that cruel and it would completely defeat the point I was making above. While context and intent is important when using words, that doesn't necessarily trump the context and inference of those on the receiving end. It's a balance and part of the aforementioned intricacies I adore. It'd be a lot easier if we could all NOT assume the worst of each other but that sort of cycles us back to those stubborn stains on society.

[daveyjones 4856]

1 hour ago, 120 Years of Senating said:

While I could say "hey, how you take it is your problem, man", it takes a special kind of asshole to be that cruel and it would completely defeat the point I was making above.

i appreciate your nuanced and thoughtful reply.

[daveyjones 4856]

1 hour ago, 120 Years of Senating said:

Like most people, the context and intent is on someone being silly, rather than disabled.

ah yes, but this was very, very different. this was a video of a person with downs syndrome playing a cover of a blink song on youtube. and someone said, "this is a person i think is stupid playing blink." mocking the real-live human being in that video is way, way worse than saying "that's retarded" when you hear something stupid.

[_Bagels whipped cream 7369]

@Speedo just stop saying the word retarded, it's not that hard. You now have someone here that is very close to a situation regarding it. 

[Russel Coight 5130]

4 hours ago, daveyjones said:

yea i overreacted in the heat of the moment. i also, as @Russel Coightpoints out, i did not notice that it was an old post.

bottom line is hard R is a big thing for me. my best friend's sister had downs. COVID killed her in seven days. she was 29. i was with him when he got the call and burst into tears, shaking uncontrollably. so yea i go into a complete hulk rage when i see that kind of shit.

I’n sorry to hear about your friend.I’m 100% behind a push for people not dropping hard R’s. My gf is a physio for a NGO that solely looks after people with disabilities so I’m well aware of the damage using that word can cause. It’s horrible. My comment was never in regards to me defending the use of that word or anything like that.

You have obviously made sense of what I meant by my comment and I won’t push it any further. 

[Patient #48273 8865]

@daveyjones I definitely appreciate what you're saying. Personally, I found the post deplorable, but the boards have had a fairly hands-off moderation approach forever and, since it's not my decision, I try to go by that.

I agree that the Mard's post was next-level awful because he can't even claim some convoluted Michael Scott (or Speedo) logic about context or intent.

Anyhow, I think this particular situation is up to @Ghent since it borders on something many posters say regularly.

 

[Nasa 3692]

Speedo's long-winded diatribes on why he thinks he can justify using offensive language without hurting people's feelings always make me laugh.

[_Bagels whipped cream 7369]

2 hours ago, Nasa said:

Speedo's long-winded diatribes on why he thinks he can justify using offensive language without hurting people's feelings always make me laugh.

Seriously, I didn't feel like arguing about but it's not that hard to just drop a word instead of writing a book on justifying why you just must say it still.  

I'm like the last person to be pushing a moral compass, but some things really aren't that hard.   

[Speedo 13522]

2 hours ago, Nasa said:

Speedo's long-winded diatribes on why he thinks he can justify using offensive language without hurting people's feelings always make me laugh.

Always?! Like everytime?!

[Speedo 13522]

2 hours ago, Jan Nation said:

Seriously, I didn't feel like arguing about but it's not that hard to just drop a word instead of writing a book on justifying why you just must say it still.  

I'm like the last person to be pushing a moral compass, but some things really aren't that hard.   

Then I suggest you don't use the word, Jan. You're right, it isn't that hard.

[_Bagels whipped cream 7369]

Just now, 120 Years of Senating said:

Then I suggest you don't use the word, Jan. You're right, it isn't that hard.

But why is this such a hill to die on? There's millions of other offensive words to use.

[Speedo 13522]

2 minutes ago, Jan Nation said:

But why is this such a hill to die on? There's millions of other offensive words to use.

No one is dying on any hills, Jan.

[_Bagels whipped cream 7369]

12 minutes ago, 120 Years of Senating said:

No one is dying on any hills, Jan.

You just wrote a book why you must keep using the phrase retarded.  Somewhat pathetic tbh.

[Speedo 13522]

Just now, Jan Nation said:

You just wrote a book why you must keep using the phrase retarded.  Somewhat pathetic tbh.

No.

[Speedo 13522]

I never said I "must" keep doing anything, all I did was give my point of view on the matter. If you or Nasa or anyone else don't feel the same, then more power to you. Use the language you are comfortable using. I'm sorry you disagree with me, I'm sure there are other things we share a common ground on, this isn't one of them. However, your disagreement doesn't mean I'm justifying anything or even feel the need to in the first place. My words, my decision and you can feel anyway you want about that. That's why its not a hill I'm dying on, I don't feel any urgency in winning you over. It's simple, there are words that aren't meant for you, don't use them. As for me, well, I'll decide that for myself as well.

[Speedo 13522]

Speaking of words, Jan. The other day you claimed I call my children "spics", even though I've said multiple times that it's absolutely absurd. You know damn well, the story you're referring to is my anecdote of my wife calling her self a "bean pod" when she was pregnant. I've corrected you multiple times and yet you keep perpetuating this idea that I go around calling my wife and kids "spics". It seems you really only care about offensive language when it's convenient.