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Sometimes I think about how Man Overboard is just as brutal/harsh as No It Isn't, maybe more so lol. It's never discussed.

I could get doing it for the demo albums and lone singles released etc. But Cheshire Cat deserves way better than to just be lumped in with “the rest” category.

This thread is so insulting to Cheshire Cat. Should not be allowed tbh.

Just listened to it on a walk. Superb album honestly. Marks verses on YDKWYG are like crack. Blink Wave had me fucking floating. The age I am now I give less of a fuck about albums, I’m more of a take a few songs from records and adding them to my giant playlist then shuffling. I would have been happy with 5/6 songs from this tbh but I love it all.

I feel like this song has been over-dissected a little bit. It's absolutely monumental and powerful to have a song directly address Mark's experience with cancer, and the epiphany that it struck with the entire band. The repetition of the chorus bugs some people, but in my perception it's by design - a simple mantra to repeat over and over (and over and overrrr). This is a historic Blink song, and I love it.

You should listen to Cheshire front to back and consider it the real album that it is. If you want a mixtape of non-album songs though: 1. Zulu 2. Wrecked Him 3. 21 Days 4. Don't 5. Family Next Door (super underrated) 6. Better Days (super underrated) 7. Reebook Commercial 8. Marlboro Man 9. Alone (super underrated) 10. Girl Next Door

Modern music and charting is such a different beast now compared to 20 years ago, especially with streaming taking over how music is heard. Personally I wouldn't take much stock in billboards rankings. A majority of music in the top spots is stuff I've never heard of and barely know anyone who has. Everything's a flash in the pan nowadays.

Just saw Italia posted this. Was announced on BBC radio 1. Pretty cool to see them getting headlining spots at massive festivals again.

WWWY feels like a bit of a "sleeper" on the album. Didn't mind it on first couple runs but I never skip it. It's a fun tune. Really dig the bridge breakdown into the chorus at the end of the song.

I listen to WWWY almost every time it comes on now, there's some aspects of that song that are really classic. That guitar on the prechorus and second lines of the chorus just feels vintage blink to me. For me I usually play Terrified, WWWY first before jumping into the rest now. I skipped WWWY originally and just 'liked' Terrified but now they are the staples.

This beast is already a classic. What an album!!!! By the way, I'm listening to it again on Spotify. I haven't listened to it in a week or so and I'm finding it more clean. Maybe is that my ears are fresh again, but I find it clearer, less bass-y and drums, I'd say, is like have been touched again and is sounding more balanced. It's only me? Anyone else? Am I definitely deaf?

Fucking class chorus, great song!

shitty Lion's defense is gonna cost me a fantasy game this week. Thanks a lot fucking ditty-juggalo.

I’d actually never heard the Buddha version before today (didn’t realize the rerelease had a different track list than the original tape. Whoops). Interesting that the first verse’s lyrics are tamer in the Buddha version; given how unhinged the song is anyway, I was surprised it was originally only his thumb that was jammed 😂 I like both versions, but the Buddha version’s vocal delivery is definitely a bit flat, so Dude Ranch wins on the basis of feeling more playful all around.

This isn't in the countryside, it's in town. It's a 25 mins walk from the central station with links to London. They also provide a shuttle bus from Reading out to the site. Equally Leeds is a little more remote but same principle applies for transport.

I know that the big festivals in the UK are usually in the countryside, can you get to the Reading festival easily by train/bus? I'm thinking about going, tickets go on sale on the 30th.

They still livestream or at least pro-record this right? If so we might be store for more good quality live performance videos (last time being Coachella).

Oh man I remember bootlegs from those festivals in the Untitled era being some of my favorite live albums at the time to listen to. Those shows seemed amazing.

When Your Heart Stops Beating is far superior to Neighborhoods.

Not cool cumboy, not cool.

Idk about that “tight lip procrastination, ‘yeah, later, see you around” is weirdly well structured of a scenario of just not talking or making final decisions and just having dismissive small talk instead, so the “yeah, later, see you around” really hits the awkwardness of it all.

That's pretty ridiculous lol.

Exact same here on Cheshire Cat haha

Chesire Cat and Buddha hold such a special place in my heart. Really vivid memories of listening to them for the first time.

This would be hard for me to do because I listen to Dude Ranch and prior in terms of complete albums. Dating back to when I first got them on CD, I just don’t really pick out individual songs off of them. I listen to the whole thing start to finish. You could probably embarrass me as a blink fanboy, catching me not being able to identify song names even though I know every word.

This takes me back in time to your creative mind posts you used to always start.

It's definitely positively their 'best' since Self Titled, there's no debating that, I just love Neighborhoods for other reasons.

I agree. Would be great if the album was more 'open' and had more separation. I think we're losing lots of details due to that sort of wall of sound they did. But I still love it as fuck. Who knows? Maybe some day we get some remixed and remastered version of this and the rest of their discography. Turpentine is a rabbit hole. The more you listen to it, the more you get into it. I don't know how to express it. The review this guy does is spot on, specially on the 'narrative' aspect of the writing. Of course, it's an interpretation, but it's so spot on. I'd love to hear earlier versions of this song, tbh.

Yeah I really like this guy, and I tend to despise most these tubers. He's not full of himself and it's nice, also extremely smart and precise with these breakdowns. Turpentine manages to have so much going on, but still feels crisp, or whatever, where it just sounds good on a stereo, spread out, w.e it may be. Hearing those guitars does selfishly bug me though, because they are so good and catchy throughout this album, but get buried a bit. It's definitely not like you can't hear them (like Edging release), but I will always love older blink albums because they were more the focal point on a lot of songs. You can definitely hear it on songs, like this one, but man hearing them separated is so freaking nice of a guitar tone and what Tom was playing.

I still like listening to it too, not a whole lot different than initial release just less obsessed and scheduling my day around it. Some songs have gotten better that way, some have gotten less 'best song ever created' I'm still sort of processing that they even did all this, even though knew it was coming, it just still left a lot of surprises..like much of the best songs hanging at the back run of the album (to most - Turpentine, Bad News, Otherside, Childhood). That back run of the album was honestly one of the best rides I've been on in a long time. Also, just leading a lot of us to believe they weren't going to be showcasing Mark much (like Neighborhoods), and then he absolutely comes through at the end of the album and just sort of blows some of us away, did for me at least. Thought he did not have 'it' anymore and was okay with that. Yes, it's not perfect, some gripes, but nothing is. If you told me this was what we were getting 2, 3, 5, 10 years ago, I would have always been happy with it. It's probably the best they could do if we are being honest.

This song is a masterpiece. I'v been breaking my head tryig to understand what kind of tempo are they using. It's obvious they use 3/4 on some parts and 4/4 on the bridge. But somehow happens in between. So I stumbled upon this guy's dissection and I think is pure gold. This is the mos intrincate thing they've done in a while, isn't it? I remember when Feldy said 6/8 was blah blah. FFS.

I think we underestimate how hard that divorce was on him. From everything we've heard, it really sounds like it crushed him, understandably so

Diddy in shambles

Bad News is one of the GOAT mark songs can't stop listening to it

Anthem Part 3 is the best of all the anthems. is that a hot take? Lol

Watched The Killer and was so disappointed. Movie was so boring. Such a weak story. I love fight club and Social Network so was excited to watch this but it was just so dull. Was like John Wick but shitty.

Garnarcho that is sensational lad

Alex Mack ❤️❤️❤️❤️ In the US, they released a boxset for the entire show but here in Europe, they only released the first season on DVD ... such a bummer!!!!

Alright, I'm sure I'm not the only fan here that rarely revisits pre-Dude Ranch albums in full. I'm sure people like Davey Jones would be insulted by such rhetoric, but it is what it is, I know I'm not alone here. There are a lot of great non-Dude Ranch Scott songs, but I've never felt that Buddha as a whole or Cheshire Cat as a whole are particularly great albums (and I never revisit Flyswatter or the second demo (21 Days), they're great pieces of blink history, but not things I ever actually put on beyond probably the 1st and only time I ever checked each one out). So, just as I recall someone making a thread for people to make a single great Skiba era album with all the Skiba era music we have, I thought it might be fun to see what we each might put together for like an alternate universe early blink album that came out before Dude Ranch that was almost equally as amazing an album that Dude Ranch has always been. Here's what I put together: 1. Carousel (Buddha version) 2. M+M's 3. Wrecked Him 4. Touchdown Boy 5. Dancing With Myself 6. Peggy Sue 7. 21 Days 8. Toast and Bananas (Cheshire Cat version) 9. Wasting Time 10. Mutt (original Scott version) 11. Zulu 12. The Girl Next Door runtime: 34:29 Some things I'll note: Degenerate from Buddha is a great track, but because the superior Dude Ranch version exists also with the same 3 recording it, I felt it shouldn't be added. Conversely, I feel that Mutt (Scott version) can be added because it's the different lineup and it can act pretty much how Buddha's Degenerate acts: an early version of a song that would be rerecorded 2 albums later, but in this case there is merit because of the different drummers and how different Tom sounds when he sings on the song. I do recognize that it's strange to include a song that chronologically came out after Dude Ranch, but it fits the bill, and we're just kinda pretending to rewrite history here, so whatever. I do feel that 2 covers is a bit much (Dancing With Myself and The Girl Next Door), but they're so good, I couldn't not include them. Heck, I was tempted to include Good Times as the intro track, but I felt that 3 covers would really be too much; however it would be a good way to incorporate a jokier track into the album, and I really do think it could work as an intro track. I dunno, tell me your thoughts on that one, I may just have to adjust this to a 13 track album, again the only reason I hesitate is that 3 covers does feel like a bit much even if 1 is a quick old tv show theme song joke cover. Finally, one of the best Scott era tracks I could include here that fits the bill is I Wont Be Home For Christmas, however, because it is a Christmas song, and it just feels strange to have one random holiday song in the middle of this kind of album (not to mention that the production quality is too good and pretty much sounds like it could have come from the Enema sessions). I know that we're all still basking in the glow of a great new album, but this topic has been on my mind a lot lately because of those song of the week posts or whatever. And I've listened to this faux album a couple of times now, and I love it, it really almost does feel like some sort of alternate reality first album for the band. So I dunno, if this intrigued or inspired you, share your tracklists. And if I upset any oldschool fans that love the older albums through and through, then I do apologize, this is just a reflection of my personal taste in blink, that's all.

For what I can remember, Mark said that WDNTW had songs that originally were ideas they were working for what it was going to be theirn ext record after Untitled. He also said that he felt deceived because they were good ideas that lead into nothing special (all the in crescendos that sometimes ended in basically flat choruses/verses). Also about WDNTW, Tom said something similar to what he said when California was released: he didn't heard it. I guess it all changed on the last couple of years, though.

Yeah, did you never hear the Enema demos? It has an unfinished version of Man Overboard. Also that really cool unused instrumental, Life's So Boring. Edit: Here's the Man Overboard demo from those sessions:

Funny that you bring up Man Overboard, I remember reading about a show that The Wraith (Scott's band at the time) was booked to play a show at a venue in 2017ish. The promoters booked it just alone for the reason that Scott was part of Blink and then unfortunately, Scott couldn't make it to the show (which is a bummer). The band didn't cancel the show but the promoters were pissed off and blasted "Man Overboard" on the speakers just to show that they were super mad

I still kind of always love that No it isn't dropped on Tom's birthday. They can say what they want but there was no coincidence about it lol

No It Isn’t was the most brutal thing ever when were were like 15-18, (Good times) Now it’s like much more apparent Man Overboard is.

It's still there: #158 this week. At this rate, it will leave next week, though. On the other hand, besides Adult top 40, "One More Time" is getting some airplay on Pop radio stations, too. Considering their last top 50 hit there was "I Miss You" and how ageist the format is that is nearly an accomplishment.

He won't accept it. He's a tough coconut to split.

Otherside is beautiful but the worst drum track on the album.

I prefer Other Side to it for Mark songs but it is still good.

Dance with Me Blink Wave Anthem Part 3 Other Side Terrified Fifth spot was really hard to pick. Went with Terrified just to get on with it.