Tom glad he´s back with blink

[OrganGrinderX182]

i think its good tom is glad he is back with blink, i am glad he is back with blink, i couldnt picture leaving my friends in my band behind.

dude, you derailed this topic about money & green day!!!

oh wait...

oh shit! i forgot how this board works!

[bastard]

fuck, the singer of green day is wearing a dress

[_Kyle_]

Proof they sold out. When warning came out they were growing up from their Dookie phase. They dropped the dyed hair and whatnot and started dressing their age.

Four years later, the makeup, the eye liner, and the dark clothes suddenly appear

Now ask yourself an honest question.........why did they start dressing like that? Of course it couldn't be 30 something year olds trying to fit in with the emo culture to sell more albums could it?

Of course it is. Again, Green Day are totally fake and some of the biggest hypocrites in the music industry. Each one should get the word "Tool" put on their forehead.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I've had this same debate with you like 500 times. I prove you wrong, you stop responding or change the arguement, then bring it up again six months later. I've told you a bazillion fucking times Oliver. Green Day has stated numerous times that they started dressing this way to convey the look for their new record. You could make the arguement that they started dressing different to be hip, or you could argue that they changed their look in a four year period. Because don't we all have the very same look we did four years ago? Musicians change thier look all the time. Green Day even stated they ripped off the Clash aesthetically of how they are dressing. Because in the 80s, The Clash started dressing in unorthadox uniforms. Hence, Green Day's stylish uniform. As for the guy-liner. That's been done since Alice Cooper. It's nothing new.

And for the love of god, stop saying they look emo. They don't dress like the fucking The Get Up Kids or Taking Back Sunday.

[fElon]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I've had this same debate with you like 500 times. I prove you wrong, you stop responding or change the arguement, then bring it up again six months later. I've told you a bazillion fucking times Oliver. Green Day has stated numerous times that they started dressing this way to convey the look for their new record. You could make the arguement that they started dressing different to be hip, or you could argue that they changed their look in a four year period. Because don't we all have the very same look we did four years ago? Musicians change thier look all the time. Green Day even stated they ripped off the Clash aesthetically of how they are dressing. Because in the 80s, The Clash started dressing in unorthadox uniforms. Hence, Green Day's stylish uniform. As for the guy-liner. That's been done since Alice Cooper. It's nothing new.

And for the love of god, stop saying they look emo. They don't dress like the fucking The Get Up Kids or Taking Back Sunday.

Never heard that argument actually. So basically you agree with me. They changed their appearance to sell more albums. Glad we agree.

No shit people change their appearance but most of the time it just happens natually, not because they are playing down to teenagers or whatever.

Alice Cooper is different. So is Kiss. That is just part of their act and always has been. Yeah they use that to create an image, but if you've ever seen them offstage, they make clear that it's not really them. Actually Alice Cooper made fun of this fact in Wayne's world.

Green Day tries to pass it off as it being them, when it's not. I am not going to argue if they look emo or not, any 30 something year olds who pretend to be anti establishment onstage and get a reach around from the corporate world behind closed doors is pathetic.

[OrganGrinderX182]

gotta side with Oliver on this one.

[MSandt]

Now ask yourself an honest question.........why did they start dressing like that? Of course it couldn't be 30 something year olds trying to fit in with the emo culture to sell more albums could it?

Because they're typical insecure celebrities (or Billy Joe is; the rest have no choice but to follow) and as such absolutely ridiculous.

[_Kyle_]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I've had this same debate with you like 500 times. I prove you wrong, you stop responding or change the arguement, then bring it up again six months later. I've told you a bazillion fucking times Oliver. Green Day has stated numerous times that they started dressing this way to convey the look for their new record. You could make the arguement that they started dressing different to be hip, or you could argue that they changed their look in a four year period. Because don't we all have the very same look we did four years ago? Musicians change thier look all the time. Green Day even stated they ripped off the Clash aesthetically of how they are dressing. Because in the 80s, The Clash started dressing in unorthadox uniforms. Hence, Green Day's stylish uniform. As for the guy-liner. That's been done since Alice Cooper. It's nothing new.

And for the love of god, stop saying they look emo. They don't dress like the fucking The Get Up Kids or Taking Back Sunday.

Never heard that argument actually. So basically you agree with me. They changed their appearance to sell more albums. Glad we agree.

No shit people change their appearance but most of the time it just happens natually, not because they are playing down to teenagers or whatever.

Alice Cooper is different. So is Kiss. That is just part of their act and always has been. Yeah they use that to create an image, but if you've ever seen them offstage, they make clear that it's not really them. Actually Alice Cooper made fun of this fact in Wayne's world.

Green Day tries to pass it off as it being them, when it's not. I am not going to argue if they look emo or not, any 30 something year olds who pretend to be anti establishment onstage and get a reach around from the corporate world behind closed doors is pathetic.

You really don't remember us debating this issue before? Like, wow. I thought it was our thing man.

Anyway. Yes it's obvious that it wasn't a natural progression of what they normally look like. But for the sake of playing the rock-star look, they started dressing this way. It reflected the somewhat dramatic change in their music. Actually, Warning followed this motif too because hey, they started looking more working class (hey wasn't there themes about that on that record?) Which for the most part, every band sports a look of some kind. Even if it's just how they normally dress. I actually can't think of one band that doesn't dress a specific way to impress their fans/girls/contemporaries. If Green Day acknowledge that they are "playing a part", which they are, then what's the problem?

Now if you find their 2004 look to be a little how you say......silly and somewhat screaming to be relevent. Then hey, that's your opinion, but doesn't seem to warrant a good reason to start hating on a band.

Also, while we are at it. Green Day has never said anything about being anti-corp, anti-government, anti-american, or even anti-establishment. I'm not sure where you pull that from. The politics that was laid out on American Idiot is very anti-Bush administration. But nothing else really. Unless you consider the entire theme of not voting or paying attention to politics makes you an "American Idiot" to be the "point".

[Muttweed182]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I've had this same debate with you like 500 times. I prove you wrong, you stop responding or change the arguement, then bring it up again six months later. I've told you a bazillion fucking times Oliver. Green Day has stated numerous times that they started dressing this way to convey the look for their new record. You could make the arguement that they started dressing different to be hip, or you could argue that they changed their look in a four year period. Because don't we all have the very same look we did four years ago? Musicians change thier look all the time. Green Day even stated they ripped off the Clash aesthetically of how they are dressing. Because in the 80s, The Clash started dressing in unorthadox uniforms. Hence, Green Day's stylish uniform. As for the guy-liner. That's been done since Alice Cooper. It's nothing new.

And for the love of god, stop saying they look emo. They don't dress like the fucking The Get Up Kids or Taking Back Sunday.

Never heard that argument actually. So basically you agree with me. They changed their appearance to sell more albums. Glad we agree.

No shit people change their appearance but most of the time it just happens natually, not because they are playing down to teenagers or whatever.

Alice Cooper is different. So is Kiss. That is just part of their act and always has been. Yeah they use that to create an image, but if you've ever seen them offstage, they make clear that it's not really them. Actually Alice Cooper made fun of this fact in Wayne's world.

Green Day tries to pass it off as it being them, when it's not. I am not going to argue if they look emo or not, any 30 something year olds who pretend to be anti establishment onstage and get a reach around from the corporate world behind closed doors is pathetic.

You really don't remember us debating this issue before? Like, wow. I thought it was our thing man.

Anyway. Yes it's obvious that it wasn't a natural progression of what they normally look like. But for the sake of playing the rock-star look, they started dressing this way. It reflected the somewhat dramatic change in their music. Actually, Warning followed this motif too because hey, they started looking more working class (hey wasn't there themes about that on that record?) Which for the most part, every band sports a look of some kind. Even if it's just how they normally dress. I actually can't think of one band that doesn't dress a specific way to impress their fans/girls/contemporaries. If Green Day acknowledge that they are "playing a part", which they are, then what's the problem?

Now if you find their 2004 look to be a little how you say......silly and somewhat screaming to be relevent. Then hey, that's your opinion, but doesn't seem to warrant a good reason to start hating on a band.

Also, while we are at it. Green Day has never said anything about being anti-corp, anti-government, anti-american, or even anti-establishment. I'm not sure where you pull that from. The politics that was laid out on American Idiot is very anti-Bush administration. But nothing else really. Unless you consider the entire theme of not voting or paying attention to politics makes you an "American Idiot" to be the "point".

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank You!

[fElon]

You really don't remember us debating this issue before? Like, wow. I thought it was our thing man.

Actually, Warning followed this motif too because hey, they started looking more working class (hey wasn't there themes about that on that record?) Which for the most part, every band sports a look of some kind. Even if it's just how they normally dress. I actually can't think of one band that doesn't dress a specific way to impress their fans/girls/contemporaries. If Green Day acknowledge that they are "playing a part", which they are, then what's the problem?

Now if you find their 2004 look to be a little how you say......silly and somewhat screaming to be relevent. Then hey, that's your opinion, but doesn't seem to warrant a good reason to start hating on a band.

HAHA! Hmmmm.....actually I do remember it now that I think about it.  

But you say they are "playing a part". I would agree with that if they weren't dressed that way ALL THE TIME. Anywhere they show up they are dressed like that. That's not playing any part.

The way they dress in and of itself is not what makes me dislike them. It's only a small part of a larger package.

I use to be a big fan of Green Day until they started with this crap.

Anyway. Yes it's obvious that it wasn't a natural progression of what they normally look like. But for the sake of playing the rock-star look, they started dressing this way. It reflected the somewhat dramatic change in their music.

I don't really disagree with this. But it's pretty obvious that they did it to make themselves relevant with teenagers. It's not a coindecence that teens start dressing black, wearing tight pants, makeup, etc and suddenly Green Day start doing that. How can you not see that it was clearly done to maintain relevance?

Also, while we are at it. Green Day has never said anything about being anti-corp, anti-government, anti-american, or even anti-establishment. I'm not sure where you pull that from. The politics that was laid out on American Idiot is very anti-Bush administration. But nothing else really. Unless you consider the entire theme of not voting or paying attention to politics makes you an "American Idiot" to be the "point".

That's where you are wrong. They clearly have said in many interviews how much they can't stand the income inequality in america. They have said many times that they dislike what the government is doing (mostly republicans) and have made plenty of anti American statement in their songs. "Pulverize the Eiffle tower who criticize your government". That line was clearly saying that America would blow up the Eiffel tower cause France didn't support our invasion of Iraq. How fucking retarded and anti american.

As far as being rebels, not sure they've ever specifically said that, but they convey it with the entire "punk" idea.

So if you admit they don't like Bush for certain things, why don't they dislike Obama for those same things? If Obama also supported the invasion of Iraq and Green Day was against that, why don't they come out and condemn Obama for it as well? Is it because their political IQ is that of a 6 year old and they don't know what the fuck they are talking about or is it because they try to bash republicans to remain relevant with kids? It's one or the other. Either way, they look like morons when they spew political stuff and don't back it up.

[fElon]

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank You!

You have no clue what you are talking about and can't seem to form a single thought that makes sense. You and Billie Joe would be good friends.

[OrganGrinderX182]

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank You!

You have no clue what you are talking about and can't seem to form a single thought that makes sense. You and Billie Joe would be good friends.

lol

[Muttweed182]

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank You!

You have no clue what you are talking about and can't seem to form a single thought that makes sense. You and Billie Joe would be good friends.

Hahaahahahahahahah Omg why are you such a dumb ass?

Did my thank you really make you that butt sore? Your life must be pretty pathetic to sit around and argue ALL THE TIME with everyone here over something that in the end doesn't really matter. People have proved you're bullshit to be well..... bullshit, but you go on and on like a annoying broken record.  ROFL and you wonder why everyone thinks you're a retard.

[_Kyle_]

But you say they are "playing a part". I would agree with that if they weren't dressed that way ALL THE TIME. Anywhere they show up they are dressed like that. That's not playing any part.

The way they dress in and of itself is not what makes me dislike them. It's only a small part of a larger package.

I use to be a big fan of Green Day until they started with this crap.

Well, it’s theatrics. If you’re going to sell the cookies, you gotta wear the uniform. (I’ll give anybody ten bucks if they know this reference). I personally like their punk/slacker look from the 90s. But I guess if you’ve spent a decade being a rock-star, you might get bored with your look and try something different. I’m sure on days they didn’t have shows/interviews/etc they dressed normally or casually.

What’s funny is that Green Day kind of ripped off Anti-Flag in terms of fashion. Then Anti-Flag got signed to a major in wake of AI’s popularity. Ironic eh?

I don't really disagree with this. But it's pretty obvious that they did it to make themselves relevant with teenagers. It's not a coindecence that teens start dressing black, wearing tight pants, makeup, etc and suddenly Green Day start doing that. How can you not see that it was clearly done to maintain relevance?

Well, I was a teen when AI came out and I can't remember one person who remotely dressed like them. Well, only the extreme cases where you see the overly goth-screamo kids at Hot Topic who tried way too hard. But generally, everybody wears black when they're a teen, but nobody wore ties, boots, or vests, etc. The really stylish kids wore tight pants, but jeans. Generally kids who were into rock music dressed like members of UnderOath, Senses Fail, The Used, Saves The Day, or New Found Glory. Those bands don’t look like Green Day. I can see how you made the connection that teenagers would see this and think "oh wow, they look cool" or “hey, they are dressed like me.† But I seriously don't think kids had the balls or income to dress like Green Day even if they tried. Green Day didn’t start dressing like teenagers and teenagers didn’t start dressing like Green Day.

That's where you are wrong. They clearly have said in many interviews how much they can't stand the income inequality in america. They have said many times that they dislike what the government is doing (mostly republicans) and have made plenty of anti American statement in their songs. "Pulverize the Eiffle tower who criticize your government". That line was clearly saying that America would blow up the Eiffel tower cause France didn't support our invasion of Iraq. How fucking retarded and anti american.

I don’t like the income inequality in America (the widening of lower/higher classes, while the middle shrinks). Who doesn’t really? But does that make them hate American or condemn it? No, it’s a critique.

Oliver, there is a thing called being figurative. The “Pulverize the Eiffel Tower who criticize your government†line isn’t literal. Since France didn’t send troops and didn’t support the Iraq war, there was an American backlash (remember freedom fries?) and it was fucking retarded. I remember watching Fox News and seeing people pouring out wine from France because they didn’t join us in that War. I haven’t heard any anti-American statements in their songs. Maybe anti-war, but nothing against America.

As far as being rebels, not sure they've ever specifically said that, but they convey it with the entire "punk" idea.

So if you admit they don't like Bush for certain things, why don't they dislike Obama for those same things? If Obama also supported the invasion of Iraq and Green Day was against that, why don't they come out and condemn Obama for it as well? Is it because their political IQ is that of a 6 year old and they don't know what the fuck they are talking about or is it because they try to bash republicans to remain relevant with kids? It's one or the other. Either way, they look like morons when they spew political stuff and don't back it up.

Because Obama hasn’t started a war like that. Obama was for the war, but so were a lot of politicians who were lied to. Remember weapons of mass destruction?

Also, they could like Obama and just disagree with some of his politicies. You don’t have to agree with everything he does or not at all.

[Guest GrandpaReefer]

hold the fuck on. all i read was oliver calling them fakes and tools for dressing different 10 years later. Oliver, you bitch about mark and tom dressing the same way they did for years saying its all for the show and money. they stayed the same. green day changes, yet you claim the same exact shit as you did when blink HASNT changed. you dont make any sense dude.

[M!ke]

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank You!

You have no clue what you are talking about and can't seem to form a single thought that makes sense. You and Billie Joe would be good friends.

I love how he just gave up on arguing with us and instead piggybacked on someone elses argument.  I would really like to see what he has to say to my latest arguement.  I really do think Id have more respect for the band if theyd have released Foxboro Hottubs as a green day album.  Its a far far riskier album to follow american idiot with, and soooooooooooo much better than 21st century breakdown.

[Cheerios4u98]

I'd never thought about it like that. If Foxboro was a Green Day album, that probably would have earned my respect for them back. At least partially.

[Duck182]

I'm just laughing at how a huge chunk of this conversation has more or less revolved around clothes and style instead of the actual music of Green Day.

American Idiot blew my mind when I heard it.  It was a genius reinvention of their sound while still managing to be Green Day.  And as a 14 year old who at the time was starting to learn about the big issues in our world in 2004, it's lyrical themes really put into words what I was seeing on TV and in my everyday life.  It was also the first time I really saw a band try to say something about big problems through their music, which was really refreshing considering most songs during that time were about girls or other stupid things.  Could've really care less about what they wore, and I still don't.

As for the claims of them being anti-American, that's just ridiculous.  It's quite frankly a stupid thing for someone who has apparently listened to the album and tried to understand it to say.  It was a critique (not an abandonment) of America from within during a time when the US was being frowned upon and laughed at from everyone outside of its borders.  I very clearly remember the anti-Americanist sentiments from adults and even kids my age who were smart or interested enough to keep up with the news.  American Idiot came out when people were starting to say, wait a minute, what are we doing with this country?  Where are we at right now?  And I think it's really cool that music can comment on a current situation like that, and Green Day did it in a very bold way.

As for them appealing to teens, the quality of the music itself took care of that just as it did in 1994.  The lyrics are just another opinion of some guy without the great music to go along with them.  Between the great music and the interesting lyrics, the clothes they wear are irrelevant to their popularity in my opinion.

[Muttweed182]

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank You!

You have no clue what you are talking about and can't seem to form a single thought that makes sense. You and Billie Joe would be good friends.

I love how he just gave up on arguing with us and instead piggybacked on someone elses argument.  I would really like to see what he has to say to my latest arguement.  I really do think Id have more respect for the band if theyd have released Foxboro Hottubs as a green day album.  Its a far far riskier album to follow american idiot with, and soooooooooooo much better than 21st century breakdown.

Wtf do you want me to say? I told you guys that I got what I wanted to say out.... Are you both really that stupid?

[fElon]

Well, it’s theatrics. If you’re going to sell the cookies, you gotta wear the uniform. (I’ll give anybody ten bucks if they know this reference). I personally like their punk/slacker look from the 90s. But I guess if you’ve spent a decade being a rock-star, you might get bored with your look and try something different. I’m sure on days they didn’t have shows/interviews/etc they dressed normally or casually.

What’s funny is that Green Day kind of ripped off Anti-Flag in terms of fashion. Then Anti-Flag got signed to a major in wake of AI’s popularity. Ironic eh?

That is ironic.

But again, if they are just wearing that stuff for an act, why do they wear it all the time? It's not like Kiss where they get offstage and take off their makeup. So you can't say it's just an act.

Well, I was a teen when AI came out and I can't remember one person who remotely dressed like them. Well, only the extreme cases where you see the overly goth-screamo kids at Hot Topic who tried way too hard. But generally, everybody wears black when they're a teen, but nobody wore ties, boots, or vests, etc. The really stylish kids wore tight pants, but jeans. Generally kids who were into rock music dressed like members of UnderOath, Senses Fail, The Used, Saves The Day, or New Found Glory. Those bands don’t look like Green Day. I can see how you made the connection that teenagers would see this and think "oh wow, they look cool" or “hey, they are dressed like me.† But I seriously don't think kids had the balls or income to dress like Green Day even if they tried. Green Day didn’t start dressing like teenagers and teenagers didn’t start dressing like Green Day.

Where were you? Because TONS of people began to dress like that. I'd go to a concert and 80% of the kids would be dressed like that to reflect the emo movement. So maybe you didn't, but a lot of people did, and Green Day clearly started doing it to maintain their relevence among the kids. It's sad and pathetic.

I don’t like the income inequality in America (the widening of lower/higher classes, while the middle shrinks). Who doesn’t really? But does that make them hate American or condemn it? No, it’s a critique.

I don't agree with income inequality either. I did not say that was the reason they are anti american. I said that is the reason they are anti capitalist. Which is hypocritical because they benefit from capitalism more than 99.9% of anyone.

Oliver, there is a thing called being figurative. The “Pulverize the Eiffel Tower who criticize your government†line isn’t literal. Since France didn’t send troops and didn’t support the Iraq war, there was an American backlash (remember freedom fries?) and it was fucking retarded. I remember watching Fox News and seeing people pouring out wine from France because they didn’t join us in that War. I haven’t heard any anti-American statements in their songs. Maybe anti-war, but nothing against America.

I agree it was stupid that America did that stuff. But they took something and make an extreme example out of it. Also their political retardation is showing with that lyrics because France initially supported the war and pulled out not cause they thought it was wrong, but because they disagreed with the capitalist ways of the United States. So Green Day is clearly intellectually dishonest with that line, and they have the "blame America first" attitude.

Because Obama hasn’t started a war like that. Obama was for the war, but so were a lot of politicians who were lied to. Remember weapons of mass destruction?

Also, they could like Obama and just disagree with some of his politicies. You don’t have to agree with everything he does or not at all.

Doesn't matter if Obama didn't start the war. He voted for it, he has not withdrawn troops and he sent more troops to Afghanistan. So he is just as guilty as Bush. Yet Green Day doesn't attack Obama for the SAME EXACT THING.

Please tell me why? It's either their political IQ is that of a 6 year old or they support democrats because it's the "cool" thing to do.

That's fine if they support them. But if they don't dislike him for the same things they disliked Bush for, they are HYPOCRITES!!! Please tell me how they aren't.

Lied? Or bad intel? There is not reason to believe Bush lied to anyone about WMD's. He had bad intel. So Bush was just as misinformed as Obama.

[fElon]

I'm just laughing at how a huge chunk of this conversation has more or less revolved around clothes and style instead of the actual music of Green Day.

American Idiot blew my mind when I heard it.  It was a genius reinvention of their sound while still managing to be Green Day.  And as a 14 year old who at the time was starting to learn about the big issues in our world in 2004, it's lyrical themes really put into words what I was seeing on TV and in my everyday life.  It was also the first time I really saw a band try to say something about big problems through their music, which was really refreshing considering most songs during that time were about girls or other stupid things.  Could've really care less about what they wore, and I still don't.

Good songs? Yes. Musical Genius? No.

Much of the "Rock Opera" was pure ripoff of "Jesus Christ Superstar" which was done in the 1970's. It wasn't really anything original and certainly wasn't really anything genius. They just marketed it right to 14 year olds like you who've never heard that music.

As far as making the issues known to you. Your 14 year old mind was being duped. Because Green Day doesn't know shit about politics or the world affairs and they are hypocrites who do not practice what they preach.

I can take basically every single thing they say and either prove it wrong or prove they are hypocrites for saying it.

As for the claims of them being anti-American, that's just ridiculous.  It's quite frankly a stupid thing for someone who has apparently listened to the album and tried to understand it to say.  It was a critique (not an abandonment) of America from within during a time when the US was being frowned upon and laughed at from everyone outside of its borders.  I very clearly remember the anti-Americanist sentiments from adults and even kids my age who were smart or interested enough to keep up with the news.  American Idiot came out when people were starting to say, wait a minute, what are we doing with this country?  Where are we at right now?  And I think it's really cool that music can comment on a current situation like that, and Green Day did it in a very bold way.

As for them appealing to teens, the quality of the music itself took care of that just as it did in 1994.  The lyrics are just another opinion of some guy without the great music to go along with them.  Between the great music and the interesting lyrics, the clothes they wear are irrelevant to their popularity in my opinion.

It not blatantly Anti-American, but it clearly has anti american sentiment. It's also not so much the album that is anti-american, but it's the stuff they have said in interviews. Everything is "blame america first".

Why didn't they mention that Saddam killed millions of people and was a bad man? Because they would have made it seem like Iraq may have been necessary. They are intellectually dishonest and a bunch of hypocrites.