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37 minutes ago, Patient #48273 said:

Looking back, it's clear to me that Travis was never cool. I used to think he was, but we were all fooled because we were kids.

Na, he was cool. Still is in many ways. Fame warped him. You’d be cocky and sell out too if you were just the quiet drummer who became the most famous member of your rock band. 

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I'm ready to move on from the MJ subject too (since this is a Blink thread after all), so I'll leave off with this. 

If anyone here cares to know and is genuinely curious about what happened, has Doubts on his "Crimes" or Innocence, or is firm on their belief that he is a Pedophile and a Child Abuser; I implore you to do research on your own time (if you care), And watch/ or listen to videos in defence of Michael that go beyond the "sympathy of his childhood" rhetoric; that actually tackles the allegations and accusations against him. 

This one's not a bad place to start; pretty much quickly summarizes most of this, while providing links to see more in the description.

 

This guy did a 3 part Video that talks about and debunks all the main Allegations against him, including the 2 trials, and the Leaving Neverland "Documentary".

 

 

 

Although this one only pertains to the 2 accusers from Leaving Neverland, if you're looking for something that isn't one-sided, This one is the most Neutral and Objective viewpoint regarding Michael Jackson.

 

You are free to think he's weird, that's fine. But you would do well to dig deeper and be more informed on the subject than simply being fed Damning Misinformation from medias that had their credibilities on this topic dismantled.

That is all.

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Dr Grande sucks so bad though and has a habit of doing videos without getting all the info first and sometimes he’s blatantly wrong about the facts of the true crime cases he talks about. 

I've seen a few videos of his and he loves to blame the victims, especially if they are women, and he just confirms what people think/strokes their ego.
I never understood why people like him and put him on a pedestal. 

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15 minutes ago, thongrider said:

The internet has taught me that when a video is titled "the truth about..." I'm not about to hear the truth if I watch that video. 

That's fair. Though I do think this one in particular is perhaps different to what you may have experienced.

12 minutes ago, Elisa said:

Dr Grande sucks so bad though and has a habit of doing videos without getting all the info first and sometimes he’s blatantly wrong about the facts of the true crime cases he talks about. 

I've seen a few videos of his and he loves to blame the victims, especially if they are women, and he just confirms what people think/strokes their ego.
I never understood why people like him and put him on a pedestal. 

Yeah, I wouldn't know about his other vids. I've only seen this one of his on MJ, and I think he's pretty much dead-on with the facts and his points in it. Though he is admittedly a bit of a slog to get through.

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3 hours ago, Patient #48273 said:

Looking back, it's clear to me that Travis was never cool. I used to think he was, but we were all fooled because we were kids.

Sad realization.  He was way more reserved early on and we didn't know much else also. 

He really is the hot girl that sucks, which is why he's dating a hot girl that sucks.

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2 hours ago, Brannigan said:

You are free to think he's weird, that's fine. But you would do well to dig deeper and be more informed on the subject

what's weird to me is that you've posted on these forums less than a hundred times. and ten of these posts are about defending michael jackson, at length and in detail.

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1 hour ago, daveyjones said:

what's weird to me is that you've posted on these forums less than a hundred times. and ten of these posts are about defending michael jackson, at length and in detail.

I don't think it was that much, but yeah, heh heh. 😅

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I get it, I feel for the lad/girl/non binary/giraffe/ironing board whatever it identifies with. They love MJ, I was in denial for a long time too as I also love him, I can separate the man from the art thankfully but the guy was a nonce end of. Tbf to him he didn’t have the best childhood did he, he was probably abused as a kid himself, the music industry is majorly fucked up, I dread to think what he went through himself.

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18 hours ago, Patient #48273 said:

Looking back, it's clear to me that Travis was never cool. I used to think he was, but we were all fooled because we were kids.

 

17 hours ago, Johnny Fappleseed said:

Na, he was cool. Still is in many ways. Fame warped him. You’d be cocky and sell out too if you were just the quiet drummer who became the most famous member of your rock band. 

Yeah I think he must have always been WEIRDER than we all thought, but in the early early days he was uncool in a cool way... haha. Like in Urethra Chronicles 1, he's just this legitimately shy soft spoken dude talking about cars and bicycles that he likes, and how he learned jazz drums as a kid or whatever. No sign of the druggy gangsta wannabe he would become a few years later, let alone the social media famewhore he is now. Fame does very strange things to people haha.

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17 hours ago, Brannigan said:

I'm ready to move on from the MJ subject too (since this is a Blink thread after all), so I'll leave off with this. 

If anyone here cares to know and is genuinely curious about what happened, has Doubts on his "Crimes" or Innocence, or is firm on their belief that he is a Pedophile and a Child Abuser; I implore you to do research on your own time (if you care), And watch/ or listen to videos in defence of Michael that go beyond the "sympathy of his childhood" rhetoric; that actually tackles the allegations and accusations against him. 

This one's not a bad place to start; pretty much quickly summarizes most of this, while providing links to see more in the description.

 

This guy did a 3 part Video that talks about and debunks all the main Allegations against him, including the 2 trials, and the Leaving Neverland "Documentary".

 

 

 

Although this one only pertains to the 2 accusers from Leaving Neverland, if you're looking for something that isn't one-sided, This one is the most Neutral and Objective viewpoint regarding Michael Jackson.

 

You are free to think he's weird, that's fine. But you would do well to dig deeper and be more informed on the subject than simply being fed Damning Misinformation from medias that had their credibilities on this topic dismantled.

That is all.

“I’m ready to move on” he says as he posts a fucking novel 

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On 8/15/2022 at 7:46 AM, Champ182 said:

 

Yeah I think he must have always been WEIRDER than we all thought, but in the early early days he was uncool in a cool way... haha. Like in Urethra Chronicles 1, he's just this legitimately shy soft spoken dude talking about cars and bicycles that he likes, and how he learned jazz drums as a kid or whatever. No sign of the druggy gangsta wannabe he would become a few years later, let alone the social media famewhore he is now. Fame does very strange things to people haha.

What comes to mind about his weirdness is something I recalled in an interview Rob Perelman (old Blink website owner) did with the 182news podcast.

His first interactions with Travis (not long after he joined Blink) was him basically repeatedly having to reintroduce himself to Travis every time they saw each other since apparently Travis kept acting like he never met him. He later found out after Travis was injured and in the hospital at the time (1999-2000) that Travis was pissed at him over a misunderstanding regarding his appearance in the Blink website promoting Enema of the State. Rob emailed to him, Cleared it up, confronted him about his behaviour towards him, and Travis' response to it was something like, "Hey it's cool man, I wasn't pissed out you, but there was just some weirdness between you and me is all," or to that effect. Next time they saw each other, Travis Was like the Nicest guy ever to him from then on.

So yeah, he certainly had some weirdness and perhaps some awkwardness to him back then. Granted, this was only one instance I can think of for it, but I thought it was worth bringing up.

Here's the Link and Time stamp about the whole thing if you're curious. 1:11:57

 

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