The blink 182 general discussion topic

[Coddled Jan]

2 hours ago, twelve said:

He basically cleared up my suspicions about that song…

I’m the type of person who likes to know about the origins of ideas, how things were recorded, what equipment was used, etc. But I don’t think it’s very wise to make a revelation like that, especially when it comes to a song like that, where you’d like to imagine that all three of them were involved in writing it. It’s not that the three of them don’t feel the song when they perform it - because I’m absolutely sure they do - but still…

That’s the kind of thing you might share with some friends, but not with a general audience or your fans because It kind of kills the magic a litte bit.

Travis is notorious for this now. He’s sort of the LeBron James of music now and wants all the glory.

also Diddy don’t post the same thing in two threads got damn.

[Champ182]

I love seeing anything like this, but I have trouble trusting anything Travis talks about haha. It seems like he's gotten into the habit of over-inflating his role in some ways, and even just stuff like talking about how much he cares about picking the right snare drum and ride cymbal and getting the sound just right and stuff when....... that obviously doesn't come through in the recordings AT ALL haha. The snare sound was infamously terrible on One More Time. 

Obviously he knows 1000x more than I do about all of that stuff, but I dunno. I think he's a genius drummer but not a genius producer. It's like he clearly puts a ton of preparation and care into the right things, but doesn't follow through in how the final product sounds...?

[thongrider]

I like how OMT as an album sounds compared to California.

[Sgt. Rainbow]

8 hours ago, twelve said:

He basically cleared up my suspicions about that song…

I’m the type of person who likes to know about the origins of ideas, how things were recorded, what equipment was used, etc. But I don’t think it’s very wise to make a revelation like that, especially when it comes to a song like that, where you’d like to imagine that all three of them were involved in writing it. It’s not that the three of them don’t feel the song when they perform it - because I’m absolutely sure they do - but still…

That’s the kind of thing you might share with some friends, but not with a general audience or your fans because It kind of kills the magic a litte bit.

Nobody should be shocked by this. They used a ton of outside songwriters and it wasn’t the first album they’ve done so. A good portion of the album was written by people not named Tom, Mark, and Travis but people don’t want to accept that. I guarantee you a lot of the recorded guitars aren’t Tom either. You can just tell. But people aren’t ready for that discussion either. 

[Sgt. Rainbow]

1 hour ago, Champ182 said:

I love seeing anything like this, but I have trouble trusting anything Travis talks about haha. It seems like he's gotten into the habit of over-inflating his role in some ways, and even just stuff like talking about how much he cares about picking the right snare drum and ride cymbal and getting the sound just right and stuff when....... that obviously doesn't come through in the recordings AT ALL haha. The snare sound was infamously terrible on One More Time. 

Obviously he knows 1000x more than I do about all of that stuff, but I dunno. I think he's a genius drummer but not a genius producer. It's like he clearly puts a ton of preparation and care into the right things, but doesn't follow through in how the final product sounds...?

I don’t think he’s lying at all. I think his production just sucks that it ends up negating all the prep work and stuff that you’re talking about lol

[boxelder]

crazy how he overuses the drum quesadillas on OMT. he's like "people think it's programmed!" that's cause the drums sound like shit, take a hint lol

[Sgt. Rainbow]

20 minutes ago, boxelder said:

crazy how he overuses the drum quesadillas on OMT. he's like "people think it's programmed!" that's cause the drums sound like shit, take a hint lol

Yea I don’t understand how he thinks those make the drums sound better lol. Literally takes the tone and life out of them smh. 
 

Travis’s drumming and drum sounds on TOYPAJ and Boxcar Racer will forever be GOATed. 

[Coddled Jan]

2 hours ago, Champ182 said:

I love seeing anything like this, but I have trouble trusting anything Travis talks about haha. It seems like he's gotten into the habit of over-inflating his role in some ways, and even just stuff like talking about how much he cares about picking the right snare drum and ride cymbal and getting the sound just right and stuff when....... that obviously doesn't come through in the recordings AT ALL haha. The snare sound was infamously terrible on One More Time. 

Obviously he knows 1000x more than I do about all of that stuff, but I dunno. I think he's a genius drummer but not a genius producer. It's like he clearly puts a ton of preparation and care into the right things, but doesn't follow through in how the final product sounds...?

I definitely respect his knowledge and dedication, but he clearly is not the right one for that role given exactly this. His ear is just not right for it.  The snare was shitt.  Yet he did kill it for MGK and others?

[Coddled Jan]

1 hour ago, Bad Boyz said:

Nobody should be shocked by this. They used a ton of outside songwriters and it wasn’t the first album they’ve done so. A good portion of the album was written by people not named Tom, Mark, and Travis but people don’t want to accept that. I guarantee you a lot of the recorded guitars aren’t Tom either. You can just tell. But people aren’t ready for that discussion either. 

‘You can tell’ has definitely gone from paranoia about it to confirmed.  It’s definitely about 50/50. Can tell when Tom wrote a signature Tom part, or when it’s just standard guitar playing was probably not.  Same with the lyrics and songs.

Bad News was 1,000% not written all by Mark if OMT wasn’t.  My instincts say WWWY, MTYK, and Terrified (obviously) were Tom. Otherside was Mark.  Rest were a wash/mix. 

THAT’S why you don’t hear shit about the song writing/inspiration on any of those song breakdowns or that it didn’t feel like they actually sat down and wrote about it.

I’m disappointed, ngl

[Sgt. Rainbow]

38 minutes ago, Locean Breeze - Jan said:

I definitely respect his knowledge and dedication, but he clearly is not the right one for that role given exactly this. His ear is just not right for it.  The snare was shitt.  Yet he did kill it for MGK and others?

The MGK albums will forever be a shit stain on pop/punk and society as a whole. 

[boxelder]

1 hour ago, Bad Boyz said:

Yea I don’t understand how he thinks those make the drums sound better lol. Literally takes the tone and life out of them smh. 
 

Travis’s drumming and drum sounds on TOYPAJ and Boxcar Racer will forever be GOATed. 

sometimes i wonder if travis is just not hearing things like most people hear them. he already has stated he doesn't use an in-ear in one ear whenever he plays live, which has got to have consumed some of his hearing in that ear. perhaps the ringing natural tones of a drum kit are not pleasing to him at this point, which is truly unfortunate.

OMT is so great overall, it's just a shame the production doesn't meet the songwriting. jerry finn worked really hard to make the classic records sound great drum-wise, and it's obvious from trav frequently talking about how annoying it was that finn took forever to mic the drums up that he fundamentally disrespects some of the art of recording. i understand that it's easier and more efficient creatively, the way they're currently working, but it undermines the final product in an audible way

[Sgt. Rainbow]

1 minute ago, boxelder said:

sometimes i wonder if travis is just not hearing things like most people hear them. he already has stated he doesn't use an in-ear in one ear whenever he plays live, which has got to have consumed some of his hearing in that ear. perhaps the ringing natural tones of a drum kit are not pleasing to him at this point, which is truly unfortunate.

OMT is so great overall, it's just a shame the production doesn't meet the songwriting. jerry finn worked really hard to make the classic records sound great drum-wise, and it's obvious from trav frequently talking about how annoying it was that finn took forever to mic the drums up that he fundamentally disrespects some of the art of recording. i understand that it's easier and more efficient creatively, the way they're currently working, but it undermines the final product in an audible way

Yea…I mean I’m 38 and I grew up playing drums (at home mostly) and always blasting my music whether that’s with a stereo or headphones…and my hearing is starting to get shot. The last year I’ve noticed frequent ringing in my ears when it’s silent….so there is no way his hearing isn’t fucked lol. 
 

I got the same sense too that he was annoyed by Jerry’s methods and Travis definitely takes short cuts..which you can tell when comparing his production to that of Jerry’s. This is why I wish they’d just do at least one album with a real rock producer like Bitch Vig or something and see what happens. 

[Coddled Jan]

25 minutes ago, Bad Boyz said:

The MGK albums will forever be a shit stain on pop/punk and society as a whole. 

Yea but they were produced well for a modern day pop/punk album.  Definitely hit the mark with what they were going for.  Like better than OMT, I think Trav tries too hard/overthinks production on OMT because of all the pressure? Idk.  It's Blink's St. Anger level of bad snare, and I'm sick of Travis wanting everybody to think he wrote this and that.  It's a new thing with producers, super irritating. 

[Sgt. Rainbow]

4 minutes ago, Locean Breeze - Jan said:

Yea but they were produced well for a modern day pop/punk album.  Definitely hit the mark with what they were going for.  Like better than OMT, I think Trav tries too hard/overthinks production on OMT because of all the pressure? Idk.  It's Blink's St. Anger level of bad snare, and I'm sick of Travis wanting everybody to think he wrote this and that.  It's a new thing with producers, super irritating. 

The MGK album sounds the exact same you dunce. You’re just blinded because you love MGK and his whack ass songs so much 

[Coddled Jan]

33 minutes ago, Bad Boyz said:

The MGK album sounds the exact same you dunce. You’re just blinded because you love MGK and his whack ass songs so much 

Tickets to my Downfall sounds similar to OMT to you?... not really brah.  Much more tame snare that's forsure and guitars are not using old blink emulators they talked about.  Much more a pop/hip hop sounding album with that modern pop punk sound.  Travis absolutely nailed that one.  Listening to it now.  OMT is a clusterfuck of Travis probably over producing.  I don't blame him, that was a lot of pressure.  They should have handed it off. 

[Sgt. Rainbow]

2 minutes ago, Locean Breeze - Jan said:

Tickets to my Downfall sounds similar to OMT to you?... not really brah.  Much more tame snare that's forsure and guitars are not using old blink emulators they talked about.  Much more a pop/hip hop sounding album with that modern pop punk sound.  Travis absolutely nailed that one.  Listening to it now.  OMT is a clusterfuck of Travis probably over producing.  I don't blame him, that was a lot of pressure.  They should have handed it off. 

Lol I guarantee you they used emulators for all the MGK guitar sounds. No way was that chump lugging in Mesa Boogies and Soldanos and Marshalls to record organically. It’s all the same shit dude. That album blows. No amount of good production could save those lame ass songs 

[thongrider]

No douchebag rock producers please.

[Coddled Jan]

Just now, Bad Boyz said:

Lol I guarantee you they used emulators for all the MGK guitar sounds. No way was that chump lugging in Mesa Boogies and Soldanos and Marshall’s to record organically. It’s all the same shit dude. That album blows. No amount of good production could save those lame ass songs 

Idk sounds pretty balanced and nicely polished to me.   The guitars could be samples for all I care.  Not the point.  The sound is balanced and correct on TTMD.   He made MGK sound way better than was even necessary.

OMT on the other hand.  Vocal dips all over the place.  Drum sound horrendous, especially the snares are 10X louder than necessary.  Vocal harmonies sound artificial.  Can't hear guitars on songs like Edging.  It's a mess. 

[Sgt. Rainbow]

2 minutes ago, thongrider said:

No douchebag rock producers please.

Better than a douchebag hip-hop producer…

[Coddled Jan]

1 minute ago, thongrider said:

No douchebag rock producers please.

A douchebag rock producer with Blink's material would be so interesting though.

I'm starting to think they didn't do this because they wanted to have so much of it co-written and cover up Mark & Tom's laziness.