The blink 182 general discussion topic

[MSandt]

8 hours ago, Blink 18Feldmann said:

Bro, they sold out. 'here's our band Mr. Feldmann, now maximize our profits. Oh btw we are shit out of ideas that sell anything so feel free to some popular co writers as well'

Oh and if you didn't notice, there's a California Deluxe album.

There's a very good "artistic" reason for the existence of the Feldmann, namely the lack of consistency they noticed in their early group work, with half the songs sounding like Alk3, the other half like something resembling blink songs, but probably none that could have represented a new direction for the band. Mark and Matt are experienced songwriters, but you cannot just kick a major songwriter of 20+ years out of the band, replace him with another major songwriter and expect everything to just click instantly.

And how is the Deluxe version evidence of them becoming sellouts? If anything, they could have made even more money by making it a standalone album rather than merely a California plus. (In fact, they should have made it a separate album since it clearly is.)

[zzzz]

9 hours ago, Blink 18Feldmann said:

Matt totally knows this shit sucks though. 

See this is the stuff that we will never agree on. There is no way in hell Mark Hoppus, Matt Skiba, and Travis Barker are releasing shit they know sucks. First record without Tom, don't you think they would be out to prove something? Again, I completely understand people not liking the music, but to paint this narrative that they are intentionally releasing shit whilst taking it up the ass from Feldmann is just reaching for excuses to back up your opinion that the music sucks IMHO.

Skiba's had some beautiful input I don't know why people act like he's singing nursery rhymes while cashing paychecks. Left Alone, Hey I'm Sorry, Last Train Home, TOTTM, etc. I'd take those over 90% of Alk3 stuff.

[Ghent]

Let me interrupt your daily Feld-crying to say that this interview from a few pages back was really good.

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/music-interview-matt-skiba-of-blink-182-on-anniversaries-accolades-and-song-writing-inspiration-1-8595995

Skiba is a really likeable person, pumped that he plans to stay with blink and that a new album cycle will start up.

[vic vinegar]

2 hours ago, MSandt said:

Have you even bothered to check what they wrote for the Deluxe? It's still only Parking Lot (and maybe bits of Wildfire) that could fit your description of "being 17 again". What do you expect, direct quotes from the novels so that even you manage to get it?

So howabout you re-check what Matt really said in that interview, then see the lyrics they actually wrote, because it's obvious you haven't listened to any other songs but Parking Lot.

Actually I've listened to every song released. Nice try. Horrible assumption of you to make on your part.

It's like this: Tom had images of war being played in the studio and space and shit during the recording of WDNTW. I hear those influences in songs like valkyrie missile, distraction and the war. And yes I hate that album but it proves my point.

Again, go read Revenant and Blood Merdian, which I feel you haven't read, and tell me you can spot direct references or influences in ANY of the new blink songs. I'll wait.

[thongrider]

1 hour ago, ryan1125 said:

See this is the stuff that we will never agree on. There is no way in hell Mark Hoppus, Matt Skiba, and Travis Barker are releasing shit they know sucks. First record without Tom, don't you think they would be out to prove something? Again, I completely understand people not liking the music, but to paint this narrative that they are intentionally releasing shit whilst taking it up the ass from Feldmann is just reaching for excuses to back up your opinion that the music sucks IMHO.

Skiba's had some beautiful input I don't know why people act like he's singing nursery rhymes while cashing paychecks. Left Alone, Hey I'm Sorry, Last Train Home, TOTTM, etc. I'd take those over 90% of Alk3 stuff.

If they wanted to prove something without Tom why do they hire people to write songs for them?????????

[thongrider]

21 minutes ago, vic vinegar said:

Actually I've listened to every song released. Nice try. Horrible assumption of you to make on your part.

It's like this: Tom had images of war being played in the studio and space and shit during the recording of WDNTW. I hear those influences in songs like valkyrie missile, distraction and the war. And yes I hate that album but it proves my point.

Again, go read Revenant and Blood Merdian, which I feel you haven't read, and tell me you can spot direct references or influences in ANY of the new blink songs. I'll wait.

To be fair, just because songs are inspired by literary works doesn't mean they'll reference them.

[zzzz]

18 minutes ago, thongrider said:

If they wanted to prove something without Tom why do they hire people to write songs for them?????????

IMO you guys give wayyyyyyyyyy too much credit to Feldmann/whoever else recommended a line or two on songs. I feel like I argue this every week so I'm pretty much done with it. If you guys want to pretend that Mark/Matt/Travis sat in a room and played Candy Crush while John Feldmann wrote the whole Blink record, go for it. Whereas I see it as more of a collaborative effort to ensure it "sounded" like Blink (I.e. believing what these human beings have told us many times in interviews and not creating a bogus conspiracy narrative). Did John or someone recommend a hook? Sure. A lyric here and there? Sure. A bridge idea? Probably. But I still think the dudes wrote what they wanted to write, and are proud of it. If you don't like the final product blame them, and move on to different music. 

 

 

 

 

[Drama-Free Jan]

2 hours ago, ryan1125 said:

See this is the stuff that we will never agree on. There is no way in hell Mark Hoppus, Matt Skiba, and Travis Barker are releasing shit they know sucks. First record without Tom, don't you think they would be out to prove something? Again, I completely understand people not liking the music, but to paint this narrative that they are intentionally releasing shit whilst taking it up the ass from Feldmann is just reaching for excuses to back up your opinion that the music sucks IMHO.

Skiba's had some beautiful input I don't know why people act like he's singing nursery rhymes while cashing paychecks. Left Alone, Hey I'm Sorry, Last Train Home, TOTTM, etc. I'd take those over 90% of Alk3 stuff.

Don't be naive.

Lol at the bold. I feel like you are always typing out what's truthfully going on but are in some sort of state of denial and this is your therapy for it. 

[Drama-Free Jan]

16 minutes ago, ryan1125 said:

IMO you guys give wayyyyyyyyyy too much credit to Feldmann/whoever else recommended a line or two on songs. I feel like I argue this every week so I'm pretty much done with it. If you guys want to pretend that Mark/Matt/Travis sat in a room and played Candy Crush while John Feldmann wrote the whole Blink record, go for it. Whereas I see it as more of a collaborative effort to ensure it "sounded" like Blink (I.e. believing what these human beings have told us many times in interviews and not creating a bogus conspiracy narrative). Did John or someone recommend a hook? Sure. A lyric here and there? Sure. A bridge idea? Probably. But I still think the dudes wrote what they wanted to write, and are proud of it. If you don't like the final product blame them, and move on to different music. 

Line or two? Why do you ignore what THEY, the band and the Feldster himself have specifically stated? 

I'd even argue as much as the lyrical and musical content is so far off from what they have shown in the past (aside aspects like Mark's bass) that it inclines it more to be heavily co written then vise versa.

I feel like you hate hate the idea of co writers, uninspired/no effort from the band even more than those ripping on it that you have to be so in defense against it.  It sucks, we know, don't blame us to believing it since THEY have told us this and THEY cited on their damn credits as well.  This isn't some far fetched theory.

 

[thongrider]

21 minutes ago, ryan1125 said:

IMO you guys give wayyyyyyyyyy too much credit to Feldmann/whoever else recommended a line or two on songs. I feel like I argue this every week so I'm pretty much done with it. If you guys want to pretend that Mark/Matt/Travis sat in a room and played Candy Crush while John Feldmann wrote the whole Blink record, go for it. Whereas I see it as more of a collaborative effort to ensure it "sounded" like Blink (I.e. believing what these human beings have told us many times in interviews and not creating a bogus conspiracy narrative). Did John or someone recommend a hook? Sure. A lyric here and there? Sure. A bridge idea? Probably. But I still think the dudes wrote what they wanted to write, and are proud of it. If you don't like the final product blame them, and move on to different music. 

 

 

 

 

We don't know what actually went on in that studio, but Feldmann has songwriting credits on EVERY GOD DAMN song. Maybe it's just a line every now and then. He is the producer after all and if he did contribute, it's only fair that he gets his share.

What about the other professional songwriters who are credited? Seems like a waste to hire professional writers to contribute minimally. Seems like they(Blink) either got ripped off or they(the writers) contributed much?

[fElon]

We are still debating Feldman"s involvement? Really? His contribution has been laid out in many interviews.

[zzzz]

16 minutes ago, Blink 18Feldmann said:

Line or two? Why do you ignore what THEY, the band and the Feldster himself have specifically stated? 

 It sucks, we know, don't blame us to believing it since THEY have told us this and THEY cited on their damn credits as well.  This isn't some far fetched theory.

 

Dude, I know that Feldy co-wrote it. He is credited with it, so if we take that literally, then he wrote 25% of the album.  If you dislike it, you can blame him for 25% of that.  This "far fetched theory" I speak of, is when you guys somehow turn that into him writing 100% of it, conspiring with the label to ruin Blink-182, and intentionally releasing dog shit songs that suck while at the same time stripping Mark Hoppus/Matt Skiba and Travis Mutha Fuckin Barker of any artistic integrity they have (and even furthermore saying THEY KNOW THEY SUCK!) LOL. 

My entire fucking point is that if you dislike any of this era... you can only blame Feldmann, 25% (And IMHO I don't even get him this much credit). The remaining 75% (the majority, and artists whose work is being represented, so I'm sure they would speak up if they don't like something) are Matt/Mark/Travis. 

So which of these sounds rational, and which sounds like a crazy narrative?

1. I dislike the new Blink, wish they'd ditch Feldmann

2. I dislike the new Blink, the label made Mark/Matt/Travis hire John Feldmann this crazy pop cokehead, and they went over to his factory and John wrote 2 full Blink records, Mark/Matt/Travis knew it all sucked but wanted money so bad that they released it, they know it's awful, but they want to be popular so bad again cuz Tom is gone and Mark is stuck in 1999. They had so many songs from his factory that they decided to release a deluxe because they wanted more album sales and to falsify the sales of the album and also as a cash grab because they wanted more money, but they know all these songs suck real bad as well and John wrote them all and the label approved them.

Like I'd believe some of Tom's shit before these crazy ideas...

 

 

@thongrider I don't even know who else is credited with anything other than Patrick Stump with the 4-leaf clover line (whoopdie do, that is the least of my complaints about that song), and then some dude I've never heard of for "Good Old Days"... I'm assuming Feldmann has people come by the studio often and it wouldn't surprise me if ideas get bounced around when you have artists in a room together discussing songs. Regardless, even if they put a "Wanted" ad on fucking Craigslist for a songwriter, it doesn't bother me because I enjoy the songs.

 

[fElon]

I am willing to bet that at first, Matt was brought in on a trial basis with a small salary, and still had full control to come and go with AK3. Which is why he was still like 50/50 Blink AK3 at first.

But then somewhere along the way, maybe a year or two in, when they believe Matt worked, he signed a contract with a large dollar amount attached that precluded his involvement with AK3.

If you examine all the facts, this is really just basic common sense. No we don't know for sure, but it makes a hell of a lot more sense than "Oh Matt just like Blink more".

People need to use their heads, don't understand why so many live in this fictional world of roses and buttcupps and never seem to have a fucking clue about the reality of this business. When you guys were teeangers I could understand, but late 20's early 30's? Get with the real world.

[MSandt]

1 hour ago, vic vinegar said:

Actually I've listened to every song released. Nice try. Horrible assumption of you to make on your part.

It's like this: Tom had images of war being played in the studio and space and shit during the recording of WDNTW. I hear those influences in songs like valkyrie missile, distraction and the war. And yes I hate that album but it proves my point.

Again, go read Revenant and Blood Merdian, which I feel you haven't read, and tell me you can spot direct references or influences in ANY of the new blink songs. I'll wait.

I don't think you understand how influence works at all if you expect me to read two books and assume that I'm then able to explain to you the thought processes of two individuals I have never met.

That Tom example only proves that Tom is a shitty songwriter who shoehorns his influences into his songs.

And if you have actually listened to the album, then why are you still selling the idea that every song is about being 17 years old again?

[Ghent]

The people still fixating on Feldmann every day have issues, this much is clear

[MSandt]

9 minutes ago, Olidamus said:

But then somewhere along the way, maybe a year or two in, when they believe Matt worked, he signed a contract with a large dollar amount attached that precluded his involvement with AK3.

If you examine all the facts, this is really just basic common sense. No we don't know for sure, but it makes a hell of a lot more sense than "Oh Matt just like Blink more".

People need to use their heads, don't understand why so many live in this fictional world of roses and buttcupps and never seem to have a fucking clue about the reality of this business. When you guys were teeangers I could understand, but late 20's early 30's? Get with the real world.

The cynical explanation isn't always the right one either.

 

[_Kyle_]

5 hours ago, Olidamus said:

 Blink seem to be absolutely scared shitless to do anything that the suit and tie guys don't approve of and that is pretty sad if you ask me.

[_Kyle_]

Seriously, I'd argue that Mark and Travis are shitbags for not giving Jerry Finn songwriting credits. You know, since Failedmann certainly wasn't writing the songs and he got it.

[thongrider]

9 minutes ago, ryan1125 said:

 

@thongrider I don't even know who else is credited with anything other than Patrick Stump with the 4-leaf clover line (whoopdie do, that is the least of my complaints about that song), and then some dude I've never heard of for "Good Old Days"... I'm assuming Feldmann has people come by the studio often and it wouldn't surprise me if ideas get bounced around when you have artists in a room together discussing songs. Regardless, even if they put a "Wanted" ad on fucking Craigslist for a songwriter, it doesn't bother me because I enjoy the songs.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_(Blink-182_album)#Track_listing

Seems a bit naive, I guess, sure you could be right. And best case scenario, this is something happens in it music industry and the only difference is Feldmann is honest and wants to give everyone who contributed credit. Worst case scenario the label hired these songwriters because they had little faith in Blink's songwriting.

Not being bothered by them using professional songwriters is an entirely different. It's a common thing that has always occured in music, especially by talented performers. Nothing wrong with enjoying California!

[Elisa]

46 minutes ago, Olidamus said:

I am willing to bet that at first, Matt was brought in on a trial basis with a small salary, and still had full control to come and go with AK3. Which is why he was still like 50/50 Blink AK3 at first.

But then somewhere along the way, maybe a year or two in, when they believe Matt worked, he signed a contract with a large dollar amount attached that precluded his involvement with AK3.

If you examine all the facts, this is really just basic common sense. No we don't know for sure, but it makes a hell of a lot more sense than "Oh Matt just like Blink more".

People need to use their heads, don't understand why so many live in this fictional world of roses and buttcupps and never seem to have a fucking clue about the reality of this business. When you guys were teeangers I could understand, but late 20's early 30's? Get with the real world.

You're 100% right. And even if his involvement with ALK3 wasn't precluded, there's no way he can keep up with the rhythm of being in blink full time and managing his other band. In the last 12 months blink was on the summer tour from June to October, then there were those Christmas shows and they worked for Cali DLX at the beginning of the year. They also had another US tour before this one where they're basically spending two months in Europe. Of course he signed a contract, maybe for 2 album cycles or for (X) years (2? 3?) but he had no material time to record a new alkaline trio album, tour the US and Europe in support of said album, like they always did, and at the same time being in blink full time. 

People are too dramatic though, it's not the end of Alkaline Trio, it's just the first time they're having a long pause between albums and it's not entirely a bad thing for them, they could come back with some great songs. A lot of bands do that, I'm only concerned about Dan and Derek because if Alkaline Trio kept releasing music and touring constantly all the time, that means it was the only way to earn a decent living, and, now that they're not doing it, it could be a problem for them and their finances but it's not like they're really that desperate, c'mon. But I don't know.